Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?

[Digga]

rscott said:

Just had the leaflet through from our local Reform candidate - the only thing it tells us about him is his name. No background info, no details about what he would do for this area, just the national talking points.
It doesn't even have a picture of the candidate.

Compare that to all the others we've had. They all clearly explain who the candidate is, mention local issues they want to address and most explain their connection to the area. Reform's leaflet just talks about stopping the boats, net zero immigration and has photos of Tice and Farage.

I tend to prefer DP to dig a bit further into a candidate than merely waiting for and judging the stupid, printed leaflets, but I tend to agree; if they’re going to do any good at all, policies (not just platitudes) need to be there. Plus, if they want my trust, I need to see the whites of their eyes.

Local labour candidate’s leaflet was dross. Not much of more substance on her website/Facebook, which is unfortunate. Young guy from Lid Dems was polar opposite and got my vote.

[Kevin Cozner]

Oilchange said:

Tories hard right?

You've gone mad.

Current Tories aren't even right, never mind hard right. They're left even of the Blair government.

[bitchstewie]

Sorry Elysium I'm not responding to each point because it's just more rubbish and obfuscation where you're downplaying someone suggesting an entire community are "nonces".

And it isn't just me who has concerns about Farage and Russian disinformation.

Tories 'highly alarmed' by network of pro-Russian Facebook pages interfering in UK election

Funny how they weren't quite so concerned about the findings of the Russia Report but there you go.

[oyster]

turbobloke said:

rscott said:

Just had the leaflet through from our local Reform candidate - the only thing it tells us about him is his name. No background info, no details about what he would do for this area, just the national talking points.
It doesn't even have a picture of the candidate.

CVs aren't usualy blessed with a picture these days, in general a photo shouldn't be included if applying for jobs throughout the UK to help prevent discrimination, MP is a UK job.

It's an election, not an application. That excuse is simply crap and you know it. It's not a CV.

turbobloke said:

Lord Ashcroft polling feedback from voters in focus groups points to voters acting on national issues on July 4th rather than the 'local' qualitiy of a sitting candidate...it's not unusual.

It's all candidate/party/constituency dependent.

For example, almost all Conservative candidates will focus on local status because nationally their party is polling very low.
Labour candidates in traditional Tory-shire seats (like my own) will mix national focus (for Labour popularity) with local emphasis to try and fit in with the traditional local vote base.
Reform - nothing local at all. They have zero local connection. They aren't striving for local representation at all - they simply want national coverage.
Lib Dems, more local because their campaigns are more focused on certain regions and seats.

[oyster]

Kevin Cozner said:

Oilchange said:

Tories hard right?

You've gone mad.

Current Tories aren't even right, never mind hard right. They're left even of the Blair government.

They want to send immigrants to a developing world country?

Economically they're not either left or right wing - they're just incompetent.

[Elysium]

skwdenyer said:

Elysium said:

Killboy said:

Elysium said:

Which aligns almost exactly with what I have said.

Like it or not, some people are upset by the way some LGBTQ+ activists engage with children. This seems to reach fever point over events like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_Queen_Story_Hou...

Pretty sure that's what Farage's chap was mithering about.

Ah, that all makes it okay then

I specifically said it wasn’t OK in a post just prior to the one you quoted.

Drag Queen isn't a gender. There are plenty who aren't LGBTQ+.

I didn’t remotely suggest that it was a gender.

But there have been many stories in recent years about drag queens promoting LGBTQ+ issues to children. Some parents obviously find that uncomfortable:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-...

[Elysium]

bhstewie said:

Sorry Elysium I'm not responding to each point because it's just more rubbish and obfuscation where you're downplaying someone suggesting an entire community are "nonces".

It comes as zero surprise to me that you have decided not address my post.

Dismissing a detailed argument as ‘rubbish and obfuscation’ is an obvious sign that you have no way of actually rebutting it.

Nobody said that an entire community were nonces.

I can’t ‘downplay’ something that didn’t happen.

[rscott]

turbobloke said:

rscott said:

Just had the leaflet through from our local Reform candidate - the only thing it tells us about him is his name. No background info, no details about what he would do for this area, just the national talking points.
It doesn't even have a picture of the candidate.

CVs aren't usualy blessed with a picture these days, in general a photo shouldn't be included if applying for jobs throughout the UK to help prevent discrimination, MP is a UK job.

Lord Ashcroft polling feedback from voters in focus groups points to voters acting on national issues on July 4th rather than the 'local' qualitiy of a sitting candidate...it's not unusual.

I've had 5 election leaflets (Conservative, Labour, Lib Dems, Green and Reform).

All except Reform profile the candidate in detail and feature how they say their party's national policies would affect the area and the impact of the current Conservative government on it.

All except Reform give background information about the candidate.

As you now seem to be suggesting we should treat their leaflets as CVs, Reform wouldn't make it through the first review as it tells me nothing about the person.


Strangely enough, the local quality of a candidate seems to be more important this year, at least that's what my friends and colleagues are saying. Most have little or no trust in any of the leaders, so are looking at what is promised on a local level.

[bitchstewie]

Elysium said:

It comes as zero surprise to me that you have decided not address my post.

Dismissing a detailed argument as ‘rubbish and obfuscation’ is an obvious sign that you have no way of actually rebutting it.

Nobody said that an entire community were nonces.

I can’t ‘downplay’ something that didn’t happen.

I don't care about your argument.

You can have legitimate concerns without voicing them in this way.

"You see that fking degenerate flag on the front bonnet? What are the old bill doing promoting that crap? They should be out catching nonces not promoting the fkers.".

So don't embarrass yourself any more with that "nobody said that an entire community were nonces" rubbish.

[vaud]

rscott said:

All except Reform profile the candidate in detail and feature how they say their party's national policies would affect the area and the impact of the current Conservative government on it.

All except Reform give background information about the candidate.

The Reform leaflet we had look VERY much like the Tory one - same colours of blue, similar style, etc...

[S600BSB]

rscott said:

turbobloke said:

rscott said:

Just had the leaflet through from our local Reform candidate - the only thing it tells us about him is his name. No background info, no details about what he would do for this area, just the national talking points.
It doesn't even have a picture of the candidate.

CVs aren't usualy blessed with a picture these days, in general a photo shouldn't be included if applying for jobs throughout the UK to help prevent discrimination, MP is a UK job.

Lord Ashcroft polling feedback from voters in focus groups points to voters acting on national issues on July 4th rather than the 'local' qualitiy of a sitting candidate...it's not unusual.

I've had 5 election leaflets (Conservative, Labour, Lib Dems, Green and Reform).

All except Reform profile the candidate in detail and feature how they say their party's national policies would affect the area and the impact of the current Conservative government on it.

All except Reform give background information about the candidate.

As you now seem to be suggesting we should treat their leaflets as CVs, Reform wouldn't make it through the first review as it tells me nothing about the person.


Strangely enough, the local quality of a candidate seems to be more important this year, at least that's what my friends and colleagues are saying. Most have little or no trust in any of the leaders, so are looking at what is promised on a local level.

Come on, what is your average Reform candidate really going to want to tell you about themselves..

[Elysium]

bhstewie said:

Elysium said:

It comes as zero surprise to me that you have decided not address my post.

Dismissing a detailed argument as ‘rubbish and obfuscation’ is an obvious sign that you have no way of actually rebutting it.

Nobody said that an entire community were nonces.

I can’t ‘downplay’ something that didn’t happen.

I don't care about your argument.

You can have legitimate concerns without voicing them in this way.

"You see that fking degenerate flag on the front bonnet? What are the old bill doing promoting that crap? They should be out catching nonces not promoting the fkers.".

So don't embarrass yourself any more with that "nobody said that an entire community were nonces" rubbish.

Carefully read the words you have quoted and tell me where this person states that the entire LGBTQ community are nonces.

You can’t because it doesn’t say that. You are the only person that has used those words.

[bitchstewie]

You think he has to literally say those words for you to form that meaning from what he said?

I think it's pretty clear to anyone sensible what he meant.

Stop making excuses for him.

[Elysium]

bhstewie said:

You think he has to literally say those words for you to form that meaning from what he said?

I think it's clear what he meant.

Stop making excuses for him.

It is clear that the things this person actually said are not the same as the things you are pretending he said.

Pointing that out is not making excuses for him. It is simply highlighting that your pretend version is wrong.

[Master Of Puppets]

This thread sounds like a bunch of stewpid children. Maybe time to think about doing something worthwhile with your day.

[bitchstewie]

Elysium said:

It is clear that the things this person actually said are not the same as the things you are pretending he said.

Pointing that out is not making excuses for him. It is simply highlighting that your pretend version is wrong.

A man sees a Police car with a Pride flag on it and that's his reaction.

I'm quite comfortable which one of us is applying a "pretend version" of what he meant by it.

[don'tbesilly]

I thought the audience was very hostile, I wonder how many others were carefully selected

[768]

Just another unfortunate coincidence.

[chrispmartha]

Elysium said:

skwdenyer said:

Elysium said:

Killboy said:

Elysium said:

Which aligns almost exactly with what I have said.

Like it or not, some people are upset by the way some LGBTQ+ activists engage with children. This seems to reach fever point over events like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_Queen_Story_Hou...

Pretty sure that's what Farage's chap was mithering about.

Ah, that all makes it okay then

I specifically said it wasn’t OK in a post just prior to the one you quoted.

Drag Queen isn't a gender. There are plenty who aren't LGBTQ+.

I didn’t remotely suggest that it was a gender.

But there have been many stories in recent years about drag queens promoting LGBTQ+ issues to children. Some parents obviously find that uncomfortable:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-...

Then don’t take your kids, it’s not compulsory.

[Mr Penguin]

Elysium said:

It is clear that the things this person actually said are not the same as the things you are pretending he said.

Pointing that out is not making excuses for him. It is simply highlighting that your pretend version is wrong.

What was he saying if not equating the pride flag with paedophiles?