Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?
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119 said:
biggbn said:
President Merkin said:
Sounds like you've got plenty already.
So now the reformites are dancing on the head of a pin demanding proof that Nige's travelling circus formally invites racists. Well of course it doesn't. And yet they keep on coming. And their friends in here keep on dissembling, always discursive, never straight. I've heard of shy Tories...
If you build it, they will come....So now the reformites are dancing on the head of a pin demanding proof that Nige's travelling circus formally invites racists. Well of course it doesn't. And yet they keep on coming. And their friends in here keep on dissembling, always discursive, never straight. I've heard of shy Tories...
I have no party affiliations by the way. Posted this many times. Have a wonderful evening brother man, peace and love, gbn x
crankedup5 said:
Because Greens and Lib Dem’s have proven themselves to be unattractive with their established mandate offerings.
The appeal of Reform U.K. will be in its alternative offerings. That will be judged 2029.
Young first time voters hold well be turned off from Tory based on this last 14 years, and Labour in likely event 2029 sees the U.K still in decline.
I'll try this a different way - once they get into government what sort of policies do you expect/hope them to pursue?The appeal of Reform U.K. will be in its alternative offerings. That will be judged 2029.
Young first time voters hold well be turned off from Tory based on this last 14 years, and Labour in likely event 2029 sees the U.K still in decline.
crankedup5 said:
Because Greens and Lib Dem’s have proven themselves to be unattractive with their established mandate offerings.
The appeal of Reform U.K. will be in its alternative offerings. That will be judged 2029.
Young first time voters hold well be turned off from Tory based on this last 14 years, and Labour in likely event 2029 sees the U.K still in decline.
It's certainly interesting to consider the 2029 GE outcome if, as some might expect, Labour turns out to be lacklustre and does relatively little for most people - and upsets many by increasing taxes.The appeal of Reform U.K. will be in its alternative offerings. That will be judged 2029.
Young first time voters hold well be turned off from Tory based on this last 14 years, and Labour in likely event 2029 sees the U.K still in decline.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:don'tbesilly said:
Yes I saw Sunak interviewed on the ITV lunchtime news, he was quite upset and angry (justifiably so) by what these scumbags said, especially the comments which were directed personally at him.
It looks like the bit part actor Andrew John Parker is going to get his collar felt along with the other scumbags that were in the video, perhaps the bit part actor can video his arrest and add it to his ‘Mandy’ profile and label it as a ‘Real Life Event’.
I suppose AJP’s defence would go along the lines of ”I was only acting guv’nor, honest” in his best cockney geezer accent.
Not sure why you keep stressing "bit part actor" unless you think he was acting.It looks like the bit part actor Andrew John Parker is going to get his collar felt along with the other scumbags that were in the video, perhaps the bit part actor can video his arrest and add it to his ‘Mandy’ profile and label it as a ‘Real Life Event’.
I suppose AJP’s defence would go along the lines of ”I was only acting guv’nor, honest” in his best cockney geezer accent.
Do you?
If he was let the Police deal with it.
Based on the evidence presented it appears he is acting, yes.
I did mention that the people in the video were likely to be dealt with by the Police, and welcomed that fact in my condemnation of the scumbags.
markh1973 said:
In my view none of them should be betting on either the election date or whether they are going to win or lose.
However the police are only investigating the election date issues so there is clearly a difference between the two in their eyes.
I think there is a difference. One is using specific insider information.However the police are only investigating the election date issues so there is clearly a difference between the two in their eyes.
bhstewie said:
As a point of order, the clip I heard featured someone getting narked by the use of a pride flag on a police car. hstewie said:There is a subset of the population that dislikes the way the police engage with the political ideology behind pride and in particular trans issues. It seemed to me that was the issue.
I don't approve of the language or sentiment, drunk or otherwise, but its rather simplistic to refer to what was said as "homophobic remarks".
swisstoni said:
Looks like C4 were so enamoured of the chance to land one on Farage, they failed on the boring old journalism due diligence thing and gifted Farage a victim card.
Well done all concerned.
Is it not more important than just a victim card ?Well done all concerned.
If true and he is an actor and may have been paid, given when the programme was released so close to the election, are we not looking at interference in the electoral system?
Elysium said:
As a point of order, the clip I heard featured someone getting narked by the use of a pride flag on a police car.
There is a subset of the population that dislikes the way the police engage with the political ideology behind pride and in particular trans issues. It seemed to me that was the issue.
I don't approve of the language or sentiment, drunk or otherwise, but its rather simplistic to refer to what was said as "homophobic remarks".
Yes “getting narked”There is a subset of the population that dislikes the way the police engage with the political ideology behind pride and in particular trans issues. It seemed to me that was the issue.
I don't approve of the language or sentiment, drunk or otherwise, but its rather simplistic to refer to what was said as "homophobic remarks".
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One man linked to the party appears to make homophobic comments, describing a Pride flag on a police car as a "degenerate flag".
"What are the old bill doing promoting that crap?" he asks the group.
He repeatedly suggests members of the LGBT+ community are paedophiles and criticises police attending Pride.
PRTVR said:
Is it not more important than just a victim card ?
If true and he is an actor and may have been paid, given when the programme was released so close to the election, are we not looking at interference in the electoral system?
I’d like to think C4 were duped rather than they were behind the whole thing. That way, madness lies. If true and he is an actor and may have been paid, given when the programme was released so close to the election, are we not looking at interference in the electoral system?
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Elysium said:
By the time we discussed this only two conservatives were under investigation (my source for this is also the telegraph).
Do you honestly think your posts about Reform and the Conservatives are in any way neutral?
You may be right I think it might have been just the six Conservative candidates at the time.Do you honestly think your posts about Reform and the Conservatives are in any way neutral?
Either way though I wouldn't say that "If it's true it's clearly corrupt possibly illegal and they can throw the book at him for all I care" is excusing anything but perhaps you missed that post.
The way you approached it was biased and made it clear that you are supporting a particular side. That's fine, but needs to be called out when you are accusing others of the same thing.
By the way, I actually agree with you that corruption is endemic amongst the Tories. That is one of the reasons why I am quite enjoying watching Reform tear them apart.
Elysium said:
As a point of order, the clip I heard featured someone getting narked by the use of a pride flag on a police car.
There is a subset of the population that dislikes the way the police engage with the political ideology behind pride and in particular trans issues. It seemed to me that was the issue.
I don't approve of the language or sentiment, drunk or otherwise, but its rather simplistic to refer to what was said as "homophobic remarks".
There is a subset of the population that dislikes the way the police engage with the political ideology behind pride and in particular trans issues. It seemed to me that was the issue.
I don't approve of the language or sentiment, drunk or otherwise, but its rather simplistic to refer to what was said as "homophobic remarks".
George Jones a longtime party activist who organises events for Farage said:
You see that fking degenerate flag on the front bonnet? What are the old bill doing promoting that crap? They should be out catching nonces not promoting the fkers.
Definitely nothing homophobic about suggesting the LBGT community are "nonces".king degenerate flag on the front bonnet? What are the old bill doing promoting that crap? They should be out catching nonces not promoting the fkers.Dear me.
NerveAgent said:
Elysium said:
As a point of order, the clip I heard featured someone getting narked by the use of a pride flag on a police car.
There is a subset of the population that dislikes the way the police engage with the political ideology behind pride and in particular trans issues. It seemed to me that was the issue.
I don't approve of the language or sentiment, drunk or otherwise, but its rather simplistic to refer to what was said as "homophobic remarks".
Yes “getting narked”There is a subset of the population that dislikes the way the police engage with the political ideology behind pride and in particular trans issues. It seemed to me that was the issue.
I don't approve of the language or sentiment, drunk or otherwise, but its rather simplistic to refer to what was said as "homophobic remarks".
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One man linked to the party appears to make homophobic comments, describing a Pride flag on a police car as a "degenerate flag".
"What are the old bill doing promoting that crap?" he asks the group.
He repeatedly suggests members of the LGBT+ community are paedophiles and criticises police attending Pride.
Like it or not, some people are upset by the way some LGBTQ+ activists engage with children. This seems to reach fever point over events like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_Queen_Story_Hou...
Pretty sure that's what Farage's chap was mithering about.
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