Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?
Discussion
Elysium said:
It's not specifically limited to Reform, but I already gave one earlier around your attempt to brand Farage as a Russian propagandist.
You also did it in the Sunak thread, where you posted seveal times to condemn Conservatives who had gambled on the election date, but immediately excused the labour candidate who bet on himself to lose, dismissing it as an 'isolated incident'.
You seem to be one of the most partisan posters on these threads.
You mean the "Up to 15" Conservatives (according to the Telegraph) compared to one Labour candidate that are being investigated?You also did it in the Sunak thread, where you posted seveal times to condemn Conservatives who had gambled on the election date, but immediately excused the labour candidate who bet on himself to lose, dismissing it as an 'isolated incident'.
You seem to be one of the most partisan posters on these threads.
Oh and when you say I "immediately excused the labour candidate" could I just ask which bit of "If it's true it's clearly corrupt possibly illegal and they can throw the book at him for all I care" you think is excusing it?
Elysium said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Oh that reminds me Elysium.
I'm "the poster that has most obviously called out bad behaviour from reform whilst excusing it from others" apparently.
So have you got those examples of that yet?
It's not specifically limited to Reform, but I already gave one earlier around your attempt to brand Farage as a Russian propagandist. I'm "the poster that has most obviously called out bad behaviour from reform whilst excusing it from others" apparently.
So have you got those examples of that yet?
You also did it in the Sunak thread, where you posted seveal times to condemn Conservatives who had gambled on the election date, but immediately excused the labour candidate who bet on himself to lose, dismissing it as an 'isolated incident'.
You seem to be one of the most partisan posters on these threads.
However the police are only investigating the election date issues so there is clearly a difference between the two in their eyes.
Mr Penguin said:
crankedup5 said:
Labour keep stating that they will ‘smash the people trafficking gangs’ Let’s assume they are successful, that will result in Reform U.K. able to drop that element within their contract to the electorate. Seems to me that is the most distasteful element judging by the comments in this tiny weeny forum.
Looking at other elements of their contract they do have interesting and novel ideas which may hold some appeal, especially following a taxing five years of a Labour Government.
For me at this stage I have absolutely nothing to lose by voting Reform U.K. and I reckon many other former Tory voters feel the same way.
You still have to keep the gangs in their place but it is unlikely IMO that they will smash them.Looking at other elements of their contract they do have interesting and novel ideas which may hold some appeal, especially following a taxing five years of a Labour Government.
For me at this stage I have absolutely nothing to lose by voting Reform U.K. and I reckon many other former Tory voters feel the same way.
If they do and Reform do drop it, where do the extra votes come from?
If they don’t and it's still necessary, where do the extra votes come from?
The plan as far as I can tell is to get to 20% of the vote and a handful of seats then do something to get more votes (TBA) and then form a government.
Mopping up disillusioned Labour and Tory supporters 2029.
Ex Tory MPs who lose next week move across.
Policy proposal development removing some of the more ‘fantastical’ stuff.
Plenty of Work required with focus upon attracting higher calibre of politicians.
Long term project.
President Merkin said:
Elysium said:
President Merkin said:
Curious that you continually refer to a man with no discernible acting experience as an actor, repeating in the process, Reform's sole talking point on this designed to discredit Channel Four news. It's almost as if your sympathetic words towards Sunak are little more than empty rhetoric.
Maybe people are referring to him as an actor because he describes himself as "an extremely experienced actor" who has been in "plenty of films" and worked with "quite a lot of a-listed actors"?https://x.com/jamesks92/status/1806635327605400052...
Do you believe this man is a C4 news plant?
Regarding this chap, I have no idea what was going on. It’s really strange. But he definitely says he is an actor and the channel 4 recording seems to be him doing a ‘persona’ rather than using his normal voice.
Mortarboard said:
119 said:
crankedup5 said:
Unwanted in Reform U.K. and unwanted in society, expulsion is the way forward, sooner the better.
M.
Ironic really. bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Elysium said:
It's not specifically limited to Reform, but I already gave one earlier around your attempt to brand Farage as a Russian propagandist.
You also did it in the Sunak thread, where you posted seveal times to condemn Conservatives who had gambled on the election date, but immediately excused the labour candidate who bet on himself to lose, dismissing it as an 'isolated incident'.
You seem to be one of the most partisan posters on these threads.
You mean the "Up to 15" Conservatives (according to the Telegraph) compared to one Labour candidate that are being investigated?You also did it in the Sunak thread, where you posted seveal times to condemn Conservatives who had gambled on the election date, but immediately excused the labour candidate who bet on himself to lose, dismissing it as an 'isolated incident'.
You seem to be one of the most partisan posters on these threads.
Oh and when you say I "immediately excused the labour candidate" could I just ask which bit of "If it's true it's clearly corrupt possibly illegal and they can throw the book at him for all I care" you think is excusing it?
Do you honestly think your posts about Reform and the Conservatives are in any way neutral?
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Oh and when you say I "immediately excused the labour candidate" could I just ask which bit of "If it's true it's clearly corrupt possibly illegal and they can throw the book at him for all I care" you think is excusing it?
You don't use that very first word with any party other than Labour.Elysium said:
By the time we discussed this only two conservatives were under investigation (my source for this is also the telegraph).
Do you honestly think your posts about Reform and the Conservatives are in any way neutral?
You may be right I think it might have been just the six Conservative candidates at the time.Do you honestly think your posts about Reform and the Conservatives are in any way neutral?
Either way though I wouldn't say that "If it's true it's clearly corrupt possibly illegal and they can throw the book at him for all I care" is excusing anything but perhaps you missed that post.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:crankedup5 said:
Unwanted in Reform U.K. and unwanted in society, expulsion is the way forward, sooner the better.
100% agree.Do you think this chap should still be standing as a candidate?
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Elysium said:
It's not specifically limited to Reform, but I already gave one earlier around your attempt to brand Farage as a Russian propagandist.
You also did it in the Sunak thread, where you posted seveal times to condemn Conservatives who had gambled on the election date, but immediately excused the labour candidate who bet on himself to lose, dismissing it as an 'isolated incident'.
You seem to be one of the most partisan posters on these threads.
You mean the "Up to 15" Conservatives (according to the Telegraph) compared to one Labour candidate that are being investigated?You also did it in the Sunak thread, where you posted seveal times to condemn Conservatives who had gambled on the election date, but immediately excused the labour candidate who bet on himself to lose, dismissing it as an 'isolated incident'.
You seem to be one of the most partisan posters on these threads.
Oh and when you say I "immediately excused the labour candidate" could I just ask which bit of "If it's true it's clearly corrupt possibly illegal and they can throw the book at him for all I care" you think is excusing it?
crankedup5 said:
Plenty of young people (18-25) showing interest at this stage.
Mopping up disillusioned Labour and Tory supporters 2029.
Ex Tory MPs who lose next week move across.
Policy proposal development removing some of the more ‘fantastical’ stuff.
Plenty of Work required with focus upon attracting higher calibre of politicians.
Long term project.
If someone is disillusioned with those, why go to Reform rather than the Lib Dems or Green or even stay where they are? What will be the appeal? Mopping up disillusioned Labour and Tory supporters 2029.
Ex Tory MPs who lose next week move across.
Policy proposal development removing some of the more ‘fantastical’ stuff.
Plenty of Work required with focus upon attracting higher calibre of politicians.
Long term project.
Mortarboard said:
crankedup5 said:
Our Rwanda scheme is dead in the water, maybe the Brussels lot will offer passage under their similar scheme under development atm. Ironic really.
You a rejoiner now? Ironic really. 
Get yer own house in order, splitter! (
)M.
smn159 said:
Vasco said:
Still amused that so many posters on here claim that Reform is rubbish, racist, a wasted vote etc etc - but we now have many, many thousands of posts, still arguing about them.
If I wasn't bothered by Farage + Co I'm sure that I'd ignore the issue entirely.!!
It may have passed you by, but Reform are having a significant impact on the likely outcome of the election and deserve proper scrutinyIf I wasn't bothered by Farage + Co I'm sure that I'd ignore the issue entirely.!!
Mr Penguin said:
If someone is disillusioned with those, why go to Reform rather than the Lib Dems or Green or even stay where they are? What will be the appeal?
It would be interesting to see where "not conservative this time" voters would land, if Reform hadn't the profile it's got?Lab/LD or spoil/stay home?
M.
Mr Penguin said:
crankedup5 said:
Plenty of young people (18-25) showing interest at this stage.
Mopping up disillusioned Labour and Tory supporters 2029.
Ex Tory MPs who lose next week move across.
Policy proposal development removing some of the more ‘fantastical’ stuff.
Plenty of Work required with focus upon attracting higher calibre of politicians.
Long term project.
If someone is disillusioned with those, why go to Reform rather than the Lib Dems or Green or even stay where they are? What will be the appeal? Mopping up disillusioned Labour and Tory supporters 2029.
Ex Tory MPs who lose next week move across.
Policy proposal development removing some of the more ‘fantastical’ stuff.
Plenty of Work required with focus upon attracting higher calibre of politicians.
Long term project.
The appeal of Reform U.K. will be in its alternative offerings. That will be judged 2029.
Young first time voters hold well be turned off from Tory based on this last 14 years, and Labour in likely event 2029 sees the U.K still in decline.
crankedup5 said:
On the basis of what is reported and correct, ie not fakery, certainly not. Don’t need or want this stuff if Reform U.K. has any chance to develop into a serious political electorate option.
This is what's been reported around what Lilley commented on a post about a small boat arrival.Lilley is reported to have said:
I hope I’m near one of these scumbags one day I won’t run away I’ll slaughter them then have their family taken out.
And reported to have simply commented "gas" under a video of Muslims praying.Why do you think Reform haven't disowned him?
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