Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?

[markh1973]

crankedup5 said:

Mr Penguin said:

crankedup5 said:

I won’t change my mind on the basis of a few wrong sort being caught out. For me it’s all about 2029 seeing where the Party is and what developments may have occurred elsewhere. Reform U.K. obviously do not pose a threat to Labour atm. Cant go on voting for the same major parties decade after decade whilst they take the Country steadily down the tubes. I last hope Reform U.K. will develop and mature making a wider appeal to the electorate.

Reform are polling between 13% and 20% but need to get to the high 30s to form a government. Which people do you expect to join Reform to make that happen and what will happen to the Reform policy platform as they come in?

Labour keep stating that they will ‘smash the people trafficking gangs’ Let’s assume they are successful, that will result in Reform U.K. able to drop that element within their contract to the electorate. Seems to me that is the most distasteful element judging by the comments in this tiny weeny forum.
Looking at other elements of their contract they do have interesting and novel ideas which may hold some appeal, especially following a taxing five years of a Labour Government.
For me at this stage I have absolutely nothing to lose by voting Reform U.K. and I reckon many other former Tory voters feel the same way.

Much of the rest of Reform's contract is economic fairytales - massive reduction in cash in whilst needing to spend massive amounts of cash.

[Killboy]

bad company said:

Arn’t Reform saying that he’s not a party member?

[crankedup5]

markh1973 said:

crankedup5 said:

Mr Penguin said:

crankedup5 said:

I won’t change my mind on the basis of a few wrong sort being caught out. For me it’s all about 2029 seeing where the Party is and what developments may have occurred elsewhere. Reform U.K. obviously do not pose a threat to Labour atm. Cant go on voting for the same major parties decade after decade whilst they take the Country steadily down the tubes. I last hope Reform U.K. will develop and mature making a wider appeal to the electorate.

Reform are polling between 13% and 20% but need to get to the high 30s to form a government. Which people do you expect to join Reform to make that happen and what will happen to the Reform policy platform as they come in?

Labour keep stating that they will ‘smash the people trafficking gangs’ Let’s assume they are successful, that will result in Reform U.K. able to drop that element within their contract to the electorate. Seems to me that is the most distasteful element judging by the comments in this tiny weeny forum.
Looking at other elements of their contract they do have interesting and novel ideas which may hold some appeal, especially following a taxing five years of a Labour Government.
For me at this stage I have absolutely nothing to lose by voting Reform U.K. and I reckon many other former Tory voters feel the same way.

Much of the rest of Reform's contract is economic fairytales - massive reduction in cash in whilst needing to spend massive amounts of cash.

Five years is a long time off, all Reform U.K. need to do at this stage is attract a voter base and work from that point. It’s a long term project. If it all goes t*ts up I’ve lost nothing in backing them at this point.

[smn159]

Vasco said:

Still amused that so many posters on here claim that Reform is rubbish, racist, a wasted vote etc etc - but we now have many, many thousands of posts, still arguing about them.
If I wasn't bothered by Farage + Co I'm sure that I'd ignore the issue entirely.!!

It may have passed you by, but Reform are having a significant impact on the likely outcome of the election and deserve proper scrutiny

[President Merkin]

crankedup5 said:

Five years is a long time off, all Reform U.K. need to do at this stage is attract a voter base and work from that point. It’s a long term project. If it all goes t*ts up I’ve lost nothing in backing them at this point.

Fair enough. You weren't really using that soul anyway.

[don'tbesilly]

bhstewie said:

Comes to something when the Prime Minister is being called a word that he can say but the media has to censor.

Sunak: being called an 'effing p***' by Reform activist 'hurts' and 'makes me angry'

Shows you the human impact of the type of racist scumbags Reform are attracting.

Yes I saw Sunak interviewed on the ITV lunchtime news, he was quite upset and angry (justifiably so) by what these scumbags said, especially the comments which were directed personally at him.

It looks like the bit part actor Andrew John Parker is going to get his collar felt along with the other scumbags that were in the video, perhaps the bit part actor can video his arrest and add it to his ‘Mandy’ profile and label it as a ‘Real Life Event’.

I suppose AJP’s defence would go along the lines of ”I was only acting guv’nor, honest” in his best cockney geezer accent.

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biggbn said:

President Merkin said:

Sounds like you've got plenty already.

So now the reformites are dancing on the head of a pin demanding proof that Nige's travelling circus formally invites racists. Well of course it doesn't. And yet they keep on coming. And their friends in here keep on dissembling, always discursive, never straight. I've heard of shy Tories...

If you build it, they will come....

And here you both are.

[President Merkin]

Curious that you continually refer to a man with no discernible acting experience as an actor, repeating in the process, Reform's sole talking point on this designed to discredit Channel Four news. It's almost as if your sympathetic words towards Sunak are little more than empty rhetoric.

[bitchstewie]

don'tbesilly said:

Yes I saw Sunak interviewed on the ITV lunchtime news, he was quite upset and angry (justifiably so) by what these scumbags said, especially the comments which were directed personally at him.

It looks like the bit part actor Andrew John Parker is going to get his collar felt along with the other scumbags that were in the video, perhaps the bit part actor can video his arrest and add it to his ‘Mandy’ profile and label it as a ‘Real Life Event’.

I suppose AJP’s defence would go along the lines of ”I was only acting guv’nor, honest” in his best cockney geezer accent.

Not sure why you keep stressing "bit part actor" unless you think he was acting.

Do you?

If he was let the Police deal with it.

[Elysium]

bhstewie said:

valiant said:

Looks like Essex police will be investigating.

(Or at least investigating whether a crime has been commited or not)

Good.

I don't know if the implication is that Channel 4 set this up or quite what people seem to be suggesting around the chap being an "actor" but you'd have to be pretty stupid to hire a known actor to do something that's likely to result in Police attention.

I would not make any assumptions about what the police will be investigating. The whole thing is really odd.

One of the people seem using offensive language is an actor and he is very clearly using a gruff tone of voice that he uses for that work. He is not using his normal voice and he seems to be playing a role.

Its weird.

[bitchstewie]

Oh that reminds me Elysium.

I'm "the poster that has most obviously called out bad behaviour from reform whilst excusing it from others" apparently.

So have you got those examples of that yet?

[Mr Penguin]

crankedup5 said:

Labour keep stating that they will ‘smash the people trafficking gangs’ Let’s assume they are successful, that will result in Reform U.K. able to drop that element within their contract to the electorate. Seems to me that is the most distasteful element judging by the comments in this tiny weeny forum.
Looking at other elements of their contract they do have interesting and novel ideas which may hold some appeal, especially following a taxing five years of a Labour Government.
For me at this stage I have absolutely nothing to lose by voting Reform U.K. and I reckon many other former Tory voters feel the same way.

You still have to keep the gangs in their place but it is unlikely IMO that they will smash them.

If they do and Reform do drop it, where do the extra votes come from?

If they don’t and it's still necessary, where do the extra votes come from?

The plan as far as I can tell is to get to 20% of the vote and a handful of seats then do something to get more votes (TBA) and then form a government.

[crankedup5]

bhstewie said:

Comes to something when the Prime Minister is being called a word that he can say but the media has to censor.

Sunak: being called an 'effing p***' by Reform activist 'hurts' and 'makes me angry'

Shows you the human impact of the type of racist scumbags Reform are attracting.

Unwanted in Reform U.K. and unwanted in society, expulsion is the way forward, sooner the better.

[Elysium]

President Merkin said:

Curious that you continually refer to a man with no discernible acting experience as an actor, repeating in the process, Reform's sole talking point on this designed to discredit Channel Four news. It's almost as if your sympathetic words towards Sunak are little more than empty rhetoric.

Maybe people are referring to him as an actor because he describes himself as "an extremely experienced actor" who has been in "plenty of films" and worked with "quite a lot of a-listed actors"?

https://x.com/jamesks92/status/1806635327605400052...

[bitchstewie]

crankedup5 said:

Unwanted in Reform U.K. and unwanted in society, expulsion is the way forward, sooner the better.

100% agree.

Do you think this chap should still be standing as a candidate?

[markh1973]

Elysium said:

bhstewie said:

valiant said:

Looks like Essex police will be investigating.

(Or at least investigating whether a crime has been commited or not)

Good.

I don't know if the implication is that Channel 4 set this up or quite what people seem to be suggesting around the chap being an "actor" but you'd have to be pretty stupid to hire a known actor to do something that's likely to result in Police attention.

I would not make any assumptions about what the police will be investigating. The whole thing is really odd.

One of the people seem using offensive language is an actor and he is very clearly using a gruff tone of voice that he uses for that work. He is not using his normal voice and he seems to be playing a role.

Its weird.

I suspect he changed his voice as he thought it would get him more traction in talking to people in Clacton. Playing a role to fit in more than using his normal voice but not a role C4 paid him to perform.

[LimmerickLad]

don'tbesilly said:

I suppose AJP’s defence would go along the lines of ”I was only acting guv’nor, honest” in his best cockney geezer accent.

As he's spread across the bonnet of a car hearing "you're nicked"

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crankedup5 said:

Unwanted in Reform U.K. and unwanted in society, expulsion is the way forward, sooner the better.

[Elysium]

bhstewie said:

Oh that reminds me Elysium.

I'm "the poster that has most obviously called out bad behaviour from reform whilst excusing it from others" apparently.

So have you got those examples of that yet?

It's not specifically limited to Reform, but I already gave one earlier around your attempt to brand Farage as a Russian propagandist.

You also did it in the Sunak thread, where you posted seveal times to condemn Conservatives who had gambled on the election date, but immediately excused the labour candidate who bet on himself to lose, dismissing it as an 'isolated incident'.

You seem to be one of the most partisan posters on these threads.

[President Merkin]

Elysium said:

President Merkin said:

Curious that you continually refer to a man with no discernible acting experience as an actor, repeating in the process, Reform's sole talking point on this designed to discredit Channel Four news. It's almost as if your sympathetic words towards Sunak are little more than empty rhetoric.

Maybe people are referring to him as an actor because he describes himself as "an extremely experienced actor" who has been in "plenty of films" and worked with "quite a lot of a-listed actors"?

https://x.com/jamesks92/status/1806635327605400052...

Maybe you want it to be one way when it's the other way. For a guy who posted this morning about how irritating it is to be labelled a Reform apologist, you don't half do a lot of Reform apologism.

Do you believe this man is a C4 news plant?