Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?

[valiant]

Mr Penguin said:

Maybe they don't set out to but they do attract those people for whatever reason. It's a very new party without the stability from depth and breadth of coalitions that the main parties have developed over time so you do have to wonder where this party is going given who it attracts.

At what point would the Reform voters on here change their minds?

It's not a new party, it's the same grift we've seen time and time again with the same leader attracting the same people. Whether it's UKIP, the Brexit party or Reform, they are all different shades of the same turd.

Ask yourself why it always Farage that attracts these people?

[turbobloke]

otolith said:

turbobloke said:

That's your evidence?

No, I just find it hard to believe that anyone who has been following this can't see through the Reform strategy and thinks it's an accident that they attract racists and xenophobes when they talk about Muslims, immigrants, and "British values" in the way that they have been doing. I mean, if that's how you feel, just own it. What are you scared of?

OK but seeing through things isn't seeing things, it's subjective, and people being attracted is bad enough but it's not the same as Reform setting out to court racists and xenophobes.

Reform has reacted faster than the Tories when faced with scandal, this correct reaction to racism isn't courting.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/03/re...

[markh1973]

turbobloke said:

otolith said:

turbobloke said:

That's your evidence?

No, I just find it hard to believe that anyone who has been following this can't see through the Reform strategy and thinks it's an accident that they attract racists and xenophobes when they talk about Muslims, immigrants, and "British values" in the way that they have been doing. I mean, if that's how you feel, just own it. What are you scared of?

OK but seeing through things isn't seeing things, it's subjective, and people being attracted is bad enough but it's not the same as Reform setting out to court racists and xenophobes.

Reform has reacted faster than the Tories when faced with scandal, this correct reaction to racism isn't courting.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/03/re...

Nigel has reacted so fats to this one that he's already decided (along with plenty on here) that it's a set up.

More likely than C4 setting it up would be Nigel setting it up himself - "look everyone is so scared of us they have to hire actors to pretend to be us. [ignore the people making statement who aren't actors]"

[crankedup5]

Bill said:

crankedup5 said:

Elysium said:

don'tbesilly said:

https://x.com/jamesks92/status/1806635327605400052...

Fascinating. I think it’s fairly obvious that he was acting.

The question is why.

What a bizarre development

Defo acting, that’s plain to see and hear. Dirty business politics and here we see ‘dirty’ being played out.

Are all the others acting too??

Don’t know, but it’s clear this is acting to the camera.

[768]

markh1973 said:

Nigel has reacted so fats to this one that he's already decided (along with plenty on here) that it's a set up.

More likely than C4 setting it up would be Nigel setting it up himself - "look everyone is so scared of us they have to hire actors to pretend to be us. [ignore the people making statement who aren't actors]"

And Nigel then putting that actor in front of a C4 undercover investigation?

I'm going to need more tin foil.

[ChevronB19]

Our nige isn’t *that* stupid. I can’t stand the man whatsoever, but he’s clever enough that he can claim his tweet that the racist fwit on the C4 programme is actually true. He is an actor (bit part), our nige didn’t say he was specifically acting in this context.

It’s not dissimilar to people calling out reasoned arguments here for a spelling mistake or grammatical error whilst ignoring the actual issue. And in both cases is pathetic.

[Vasco]

Still amused that so many posters on here claim that Reform is rubbish, racist, a wasted vote etc etc - but we now have many, many thousands of posts, still arguing about them.
If I wasn't bothered by Farage + Co I'm sure that I'd ignore the issue entirely.!!

[crankedup5]

Mr Penguin said:

Maybe they don't set out to but they do attract those people for whatever reason. It's a very new party without the stability from depth and breadth of coalitions that the main parties have developed over time so you do have to wonder where this party is going given who it attracts.

At what point would the Reform voters on here change their minds?

I won’t change my mind on the basis of a few wrong sort being caught out. For me it’s all about 2029 seeing where the Party is and what developments may have occurred elsewhere. Reform U.K. obviously do not pose a threat to Labour atm. Cant go on voting for the same major parties decade after decade whilst they take the Country steadily down the tubes. I last hope Reform U.K. will develop and mature making a wider appeal to the electorate.

[Vanden Saab]

768 said:

markh1973 said:

Nigel has reacted so fats to this one that he's already decided (along with plenty on here) that it's a set up.

More likely than C4 setting it up would be Nigel setting it up himself - "look everyone is so scared of us they have to hire actors to pretend to be us. [ignore the people making statement who aren't actors]"

And Nigel then putting that actor in front of a C4 undercover investigation?

I'm going to need more tin foil.

There isn't enough tinfoil for that little gem. But if we follow the haters thinking, everyone who is against Reform thinks the same.

[President Merkin]

Sounds like you've got plenty already.

So now the reformites are dancing on the head of a pin demanding proof that Nige's travelling circus formally invites racists. Well of course it doesn't. And yet they keep on coming. And their friends in here keep on dissembling, always discursive, never straight. I've heard of shy Tories...

[valiant]

Looks like Essex police will be investigating.

(Or at least investigating whether a crime has been commited or not)

[bad company]

Killboy said:

Here you go.

https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1806374007521849...

Arn’t Reform saying that he’s not a party member?

[bitchstewie]

valiant said:

Looks like Essex police will be investigating.

(Or at least investigating whether a crime has been commited or not)

Good.

I don't know if the implication is that Channel 4 set this up or quite what people seem to be suggesting around the chap being an "actor" but you'd have to be pretty stupid to hire a known actor to do something that's likely to result in Police attention.

[Mr Penguin]

valiant said:

It's not a new party, it's the same grift we've seen time and time again with the same leader attracting the same people. Whether it's UKIP, the Brexit party or Reform, they are all different shades of the same turd.

Ask yourself why it always Farage that attracts these people?

It's quite new. Bear in mind the Conservatives and Lib Dems have been around for 200 or so years in various forms, Labour for more than 100.

UKIP were only a force in 2015 (and won two seats and got 15% of the vote), then they collapsed under the splits in the party which were only held together by the campaign to leave.

BXP were a single issue party which fought one GE and stood down in most of the seats it could do well in before quietly rebranding to Reform.

Building a coalition to take it into government needs a broad platform and the ability to reach people who don't fit a relatively small mould and this is something they have never really tried before and are still in the early stages of.

[Digga]

bhstewie said:

valiant said:

Looks like Essex police will be investigating.

(Or at least investigating whether a crime has been commited or not)

Good.

I don't know if the implication is that Channel 4 set this up or quite what people seem to be suggesting around the chap being an "actor" but you'd have to be pretty stupid to hire a known actor to do something that's likely to result in Police attention.

Agreed. It matters not anyone's opinion of the party - there is very clearly something badly amiss here with the democratic process. On some level, there's definitely bullst involved here.

[biggbn]

President Merkin said:

Sounds like you've got plenty already.

So now the reformites are dancing on the head of a pin demanding proof that Nige's travelling circus formally invites racists. Well of course it doesn't. And yet they keep on coming. And their friends in here keep on dissembling, always discursive, never straight. I've heard of shy Tories...

If you build it, they will come....

[Mr Penguin]

crankedup5 said:

I won’t change my mind on the basis of a few wrong sort being caught out. For me it’s all about 2029 seeing where the Party is and what developments may have occurred elsewhere. Reform U.K. obviously do not pose a threat to Labour atm. Cant go on voting for the same major parties decade after decade whilst they take the Country steadily down the tubes. I last hope Reform U.K. will develop and mature making a wider appeal to the electorate.

Reform are polling between 13% and 20% but need to get to the high 30s to form a government. Which people do you expect to join Reform to make that happen and what will happen to the Reform policy platform as they come in?

[Mrr T]

bad company said:

I’m hearing that the repugnant guy recorded by C4 had just turned up and was not a party member or candidate.

Hope that’s right.

Yes certainly not a member of Reform since Reform has no members.

[crankedup5]

Mr Penguin said:

crankedup5 said:

I won’t change my mind on the basis of a few wrong sort being caught out. For me it’s all about 2029 seeing where the Party is and what developments may have occurred elsewhere. Reform U.K. obviously do not pose a threat to Labour atm. Cant go on voting for the same major parties decade after decade whilst they take the Country steadily down the tubes. I last hope Reform U.K. will develop and mature making a wider appeal to the electorate.

Reform are polling between 13% and 20% but need to get to the high 30s to form a government. Which people do you expect to join Reform to make that happen and what will happen to the Reform policy platform as they come in?

Labour keep stating that they will ‘smash the people trafficking gangs’ Let’s assume they are successful, that will result in Reform U.K. able to drop that element within their contract to the electorate. Seems to me that is the most distasteful element judging by the comments in this tiny weeny forum.
Looking at other elements of their contract they do have interesting and novel ideas which may hold some appeal, especially following a taxing five years of a Labour Government.
For me at this stage I have absolutely nothing to lose by voting Reform U.K. and I reckon many other former Tory voters feel the same way.

[bitchstewie]

Comes to something when the Prime Minister is being called a word that he can say but the media has to censor.

Sunak: being called an 'effing p***' by Reform activist 'hurts' and 'makes me angry'

Shows you the human impact of the type of racist scumbags Reform are attracting.