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hstewie said:otolith said:
bad company said:
If you’re saying that some very undesirable racists have been attracted to Reform you’re right. They’ll obviously be attracted to a right leaning party. That doesn’t make the rest of the party rotten.
They will also obviously be attracted to a party which sets out to court racists and xenophobes. I don't know why supporters are bothering to deny it, bigots are allowed a vote too, why should a party just for them have to pretend that it isn't? If they aren't ashamed of what they are they should come out and say it. crankedup5 said:
Elysium said:
don'tbesilly said:
Fascinating. I think it’s fairly obvious that he was acting. The question is why.
What a bizarre development
bad company said:
otolith said:
bad company said:
If you’re saying that some very undesirable racists have been attracted to Reform you’re right. They’ll obviously be attracted to a right leaning party. That doesn’t make the rest of the party rotten.
They will also obviously be attracted to a party which sets out to court racists and xenophobes. I don't know why supporters are bothering to deny it, bigots are allowed a vote too, why should a party just for them have to pretend that it isn't? If they aren't ashamed of what they are they should come out and say it. https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1806374007521849...
turbobloke said:
That's your evidence?
No, I just find it hard to believe that anyone who has been following this can't see through the Reform strategy and thinks it's an accident that they attract racists and xenophobes when they talk about Muslims, immigrants, and "British values" in the way that they have been doing. I mean, if that's how you feel, just own it. What are you scared of? Maybe they don't set out to but they do attract those people for whatever reason. It's a very new party without the stability from depth and breadth of coalitions that the main parties have developed over time so you do have to wonder where this party is going given who it attracts.
At what point would the Reform voters on here change their minds?
At what point would the Reform voters on here change their minds?
Mr Penguin said:
Maybe they don't set out to but they do attract those people for whatever reason. It's a very new party without the stability from depth and breadth of coalitions that the main parties have developed over time so you do have to wonder where this party is going given who it attracts.
At what point would the Reform voters on here change their minds?
It's not a new party, it's the same grift we've seen time and time again with the same leader attracting the same people. Whether it's UKIP, the Brexit party or Reform, they are all different shades of the same turd.At what point would the Reform voters on here change their minds?
Ask yourself why it always Farage that attracts these people?
otolith said:
turbobloke said:
That's your evidence?
No, I just find it hard to believe that anyone who has been following this can't see through the Reform strategy and thinks it's an accident that they attract racists and xenophobes when they talk about Muslims, immigrants, and "British values" in the way that they have been doing. I mean, if that's how you feel, just own it. What are you scared of? Reform has reacted faster than the Tories when faced with scandal, this correct reaction to racism isn't courting.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/03/re...
turbobloke said:
otolith said:
turbobloke said:
That's your evidence?
No, I just find it hard to believe that anyone who has been following this can't see through the Reform strategy and thinks it's an accident that they attract racists and xenophobes when they talk about Muslims, immigrants, and "British values" in the way that they have been doing. I mean, if that's how you feel, just own it. What are you scared of? Reform has reacted faster than the Tories when faced with scandal, this correct reaction to racism isn't courting.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/03/re...
More likely than C4 setting it up would be Nigel setting it up himself - "look everyone is so scared of us they have to hire actors to pretend to be us. [ignore the people making statement who aren't actors]"
Bill said:
crankedup5 said:
Elysium said:
don'tbesilly said:
Fascinating. I think it’s fairly obvious that he was acting. The question is why.
What a bizarre development
markh1973 said:
Nigel has reacted so fats to this one that he's already decided (along with plenty on here) that it's a set up.
More likely than C4 setting it up would be Nigel setting it up himself - "look everyone is so scared of us they have to hire actors to pretend to be us. [ignore the people making statement who aren't actors]"
And Nigel then putting that actor in front of a C4 undercover investigation?More likely than C4 setting it up would be Nigel setting it up himself - "look everyone is so scared of us they have to hire actors to pretend to be us. [ignore the people making statement who aren't actors]"
I'm going to need more tin foil.
Our nige isn’t *that* stupid. I can’t stand the man whatsoever, but he’s clever enough that he can claim his tweet that the racist fwit on the C4 programme is actually true. He is an actor (bit part), our nige didn’t say he was specifically acting in this context.
It’s not dissimilar to people calling out reasoned arguments here for a spelling mistake or grammatical error whilst ignoring the actual issue. And in both cases is pathetic.
It’s not dissimilar to people calling out reasoned arguments here for a spelling mistake or grammatical error whilst ignoring the actual issue. And in both cases is pathetic.
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