What is the Conservative legacy?
Discussion
cheesejunkie said:
Only if that half of the generation use their vote. Still questionable.
I hope they do but I've watched too many elections to expect them to do so and have little hope for a wave of young votes. Old people vote, young people don't, it's unlikely to change.
They're not unelectable to people who use their mandate. Another legacy will be favouring wealthier elderly pensioners over those of working age with less assets. Economic suicide but makes electoral sense and that's all they care about. But unless those moaning use their mandate their complaints are pissing into the wind.
True, but younger people get older and start using their vote, plus I know a lot of middle-aged people who used to be core Tory voters (myself included) who have slowly come to the conclusion that the Tories have moved so far away from them that they would now vote for almost anyone else if they thought it would help keep the Tories out. I hope they do but I've watched too many elections to expect them to do so and have little hope for a wave of young votes. Old people vote, young people don't, it's unlikely to change.
They're not unelectable to people who use their mandate. Another legacy will be favouring wealthier elderly pensioners over those of working age with less assets. Economic suicide but makes electoral sense and that's all they care about. But unless those moaning use their mandate their complaints are pissing into the wind.
Personally, I'll be voting for the party most likely to be able to get PR in anyway, as God only knows, FPTP can't be called democracy!
Rufus Stone said:
gt_12345 said:
Why is that the Government's fault?
Surely private means no Government interference?
The increased taxation of rental income has made it unattractive and even unprofitable for some. Add in the reduction in CGT allowance and landlords are selling up. Surely private means no Government interference?
Rufus Stone said:
The increased taxation of rental income has made it unattractive and even unprofitable for some. Add in the reduction in CGT allowance and landlords are selling up.
This is the danger of envy politics. There was clamour to 'do something' about the private rental market.Most 'ideas' seemed to be about forcing landlords to do x, or y. Remove tax relief. Increase Tennant rights. Always the greedy landlords fault.
Instead of actually enforcing current laws and clamping down on slum landlords government (as always) act at a policy level.
And the outcome is the market we now have.
The uncomfortable truth is they've made it too difficult for private landlords, whilst simultaneously the councils rely upon private landlords, with the obvious effect on supply.
Neither party can afford to be seen to roll back recent legislation, or do much other than layer further rubbish on the market (rent control) so expect the trend to continue.
In the late 90's Labour abandoned their core voters and lefty values and became 'new Labour' under Blair. They appealed more to the traditional centre right and it worked at first, until it didn't.
Now the Conservatives have done similar, abandoned core Conservative values and voters and are now very much centre left.
They will eventually come back around of course. But until then, their 13 years of wasted opportunity and catalogue of failures will take time to recover from!
Now the Conservatives have done similar, abandoned core Conservative values and voters and are now very much centre left.
They will eventually come back around of course. But until then, their 13 years of wasted opportunity and catalogue of failures will take time to recover from!
captain_cynic said:
gt_12345 said:
SS427 Camaro said:
Why is that the Government's fault?Surely private means no Government interference?
Then again, there seems to be no depth you won't trawl if it means defending an obviously failed government.
Rufus Stone said:
gt_12345 said:
Why is that the Government's fault?
Surely private means no Government interference?
The increased taxation of rental income has made it unattractive and even unprofitable for some. Add in the reduction in CGT allowance and landlords are selling up. Surely private means no Government interference?
Rufus Stone said:
gt_12345 said:
Why is that the Government's fault?
Surely private means no Government interference?
The increased taxation of rental income has made it unattractive and even unprofitable for some. Add in the reduction in CGT allowance and landlords are selling up. Surely private means no Government interference?
gt_12345 said:
SS427 Camaro said:
Why is that the Government's fault?Surely private means no Government interference?
LF5335 said:
gt_12345 said:
No government interference, apart from the myriad of rules in place and the new rules they want to bring in and so on. There have probably been more rules put in place by this government than any other in history. The interference is huge, because they knee jerk legislation in to appeal to the populists. Was a no brainer
86 said:
Strange for somewhere that people make out is so bad that millions want to come to live here. Friends and relatives tell me it’s grim in France Belgium Germany. European and U.K. economies have zero chance of achieving material growth which means poorer and poorer services going forward no matter who is in power
This is a wonderful country with many up to now inalienable rights that help make it wonderful. It has been badly run, at least since Cameron stepped (ran?) away by a series of ever weaker leaders. LF5335 said:
Wombat3 said:
As is laying all the world's ills at their door.
Not the World, just this country In the last 13 years we have seen 4 significant economic storms/ events/ headwinds, issues far greater than anything we saw in the preceding decades.
1) the economic s
tshow and structural deficits left by the previous government 2) Brexit
3) Covid
4) The cost of Putins antics
Only Brexit was a choice & it's been deliberately made worse by factions within the UK.
Where might we be if all parties had respected the decision and worked to make it work instead of spending 3 years bickering about it and deliberately trying to undermine it?
For the rest of it we are just passengers.
The current lot have been pretty inept. Pretending that anyone else would have done significantly
better (consider the choices we were offered) or that what might come next is going to be markedly better is for the birds.
Meanwhile, those that simply want to harp on and lay everything at the Tory’s door are not really being very objective (or helping) and are likely to be just as disappointed by the state of things in 5-10 years time.
There is no magic wand and there will be no miracle turnaround while we conduct ourselves, our business, and our politics in the way we do.
Edited by Wombat3 on Saturday 13th January 10:57
gt_12345 said:
If they cared about populists all they had to do was stop people arriving on dinghies.
Was a no brainer
Populist among weirdo Tory members and devotees maybe. The majority of the country are smart enough to realise there are more important things than stopping a minuscule % of migration whilst ignoring actual impactful issues. Was a no brainer
Wombat3 said:
And we are not in a significantly better or worse state than many of what we would think of as our peer nations. Look at the state Canada or Italy is in. Germany is now on a quite different trajectory to where it was 10 years ago.
In the last 13 years we have seen 4 significant economic storms/ events/ headwinds, issues far greater than anything we saw in the preceding decades.
1) the economic stshow and structural deficits left by the previous government
2) Brexit
3) Covid
4) The cost of Putins antics
Only Brexit was a choice & it's been deliberately made worse by factions within the UK.
Where might we be if all parties had respected the decision and worked to make it work instead of spending 3 years bickering about it and deliberately trying to undermine it?
For the rest of it we are just passengers.
The current lot have been pretty inept. Pretending that anyone else would have done significantly
better (consider the choices we were offered) or that what might come next is going to be markedly better is for the birds.
Meanwhile, those that simply want to harp on and lay everything at the Tory’s door are not really being very objective (or helping) and are likely to be just as disappointed by the state of things in 5-10 years time.
There is no magic wand and there will be no miracle turnaround while we conduct ourselves, our business, and our politics in the way we do.
Agree with just about every word of this.In the last 13 years we have seen 4 significant economic storms/ events/ headwinds, issues far greater than anything we saw in the preceding decades.
1) the economic s
tshow and structural deficits left by the previous government 2) Brexit
3) Covid
4) The cost of Putins antics
Only Brexit was a choice & it's been deliberately made worse by factions within the UK.
Where might we be if all parties had respected the decision and worked to make it work instead of spending 3 years bickering about it and deliberately trying to undermine it?
For the rest of it we are just passengers.
The current lot have been pretty inept. Pretending that anyone else would have done significantly
better (consider the choices we were offered) or that what might come next is going to be markedly better is for the birds.
Meanwhile, those that simply want to harp on and lay everything at the Tory’s door are not really being very objective (or helping) and are likely to be just as disappointed by the state of things in 5-10 years time.
There is no magic wand and there will be no miracle turnaround while we conduct ourselves, our business, and our politics in the way we do.
Edited by Wombat3 on Saturday 13th January 10:57
They were dealt a very bad hand and they've played it badly.
Wombat3 said:
And we are not in a significantly better or worse state than many of what we would think of as our peer nations. Look at the state Canada or Italy is in. Germany is now on a quite different trajectory to where it was 10 years ago.
In the last 13 years we have seen 4 significant economic storms/ events/ headwinds, issues far greater than anything we saw in the preceding decades.
1) the economic stshow and structural deficits left by the previous government
2) Brexit
3) Covid
4) The cost of Putins antics
Only Brexit was a choice & it's been deliberately made worse by factions within the UK.
Where might we be if all parties had respected the decision and worked to make it work instead of spending 3 years bickering about it and deliberately trying to undermine it?
For the rest of it we are just passengers.
The current lot have been pretty inept. Pretending that anyone else would have done significantly
better (consider the choices we were offered) or that what might come next is going to be markedly better is for the birds.
Meanwhile, those that simply want to harp on and lay everything at the Tory’s door are not really being very objective (or helping) and are likely to be just as disappointed by the state of things in 5-10 years time.
There is no magic wand and there will be no miracle turnaround while we conduct ourselves, our business, and our politics in the way we do.
I always find it strange that people say “yes, these lot were rubbish, but the others might have been worse”. They also might have been better*. What’s absolutely certain is that there needs to be change and fairly urgently. There might not be a magic wand, but there is an option not to wave the sIn the last 13 years we have seen 4 significant economic storms/ events/ headwinds, issues far greater than anything we saw in the preceding decades.
1) the economic s
tshow and structural deficits left by the previous government 2) Brexit
3) Covid
4) The cost of Putins antics
Only Brexit was a choice & it's been deliberately made worse by factions within the UK.
Where might we be if all parties had respected the decision and worked to make it work instead of spending 3 years bickering about it and deliberately trying to undermine it?
For the rest of it we are just passengers.
The current lot have been pretty inept. Pretending that anyone else would have done significantly
better (consider the choices we were offered) or that what might come next is going to be markedly better is for the birds.
Meanwhile, those that simply want to harp on and lay everything at the Tory’s door are not really being very objective (or helping) and are likely to be just as disappointed by the state of things in 5-10 years time.
There is no magic wand and there will be no miracle turnaround while we conduct ourselves, our business, and our politics in the way we do.
Edited by Wombat3 on Saturday 13th January 10:57
t stick at everything too. *let’s see how many reply just to this point with “but, but, but Corbyn”
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