Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?

[fido]

https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-...

Reform UK - 19%

[turbobloke]

President Merkin said:

Polls starting to suggest they're plateauing around 15% now. Seems Farage's pro Putin remarks are going down badly.

Apparently not. premature adjudication strikes again.

fido said:

https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-...

Reform UK - 19%

[President Merkin]

I used to believe Turbo that you were at least intelligent. I credited you with that, albeit hopelessly biased. However, riding on the coat tails of some brain surgeon posting a single poll is causing me to do some heavy lifting on that front Very few people would be stupid enough not only to accept that as a valid repsonse, much less repeat it.

So is that the best you can do? If it is, I would stop now.

[crankedup5]

tangerine_sedge said:

the-photographer said:

bad company said:

You called him a liar before but failed to come up with credible evidence.

Try putting any politician’s name into Google followed by the word liar.

This is classic Farage; deny, then when presented with an accurate statement that he can't deny, to turn on the interviewer.

Meanwhile Farage fans seem to like him because he "SPeAks ThE trUTh!!!"

No! politicians are masters of integrity and honesty of the highest order, we all know this . However, we tend to overlook this inconvenient truth when the politician we dislike can be held up to be exposed as such.

[S600BSB]

turbobloke said:

President Merkin said:

Polls starting to suggest they're plateauing around 15% now. Seems Farage's pro Putin remarks are going down badly.

Apparently not. premature adjudication strikes again.

fido said:

https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-...

Reform UK - 19%

I agree with the editorial in the Sunday Times. What his remarks will have done is end any idea that he could have any sort of leadership role in the Conservative Party. He has shown his unsuitability for that. As the Salisbury example shows though, there will always be old loons willing to parrot the crazy things Farage says.

[Jinx]

President Merkin said:

I used to believe Turbo that you were at least intelligent. I credited you with that, albeit hopelessly biased. However, riding on the coat tails of some brain surgeon posting a single poll is causing me to do some heavy lifting on that front Very few people would be stupid enough not only to accept that as a valid repsonse, much less repeat it.

So is that the best you can do? If it is, I would stop now.

The raw data is available from that link - 10,000 respondents sampled online.

Polling site said:

Additional information: Redfield & Wilton Strategies is a member of the British Polling Council (BPC) and the American Association for Public Opinion Research (AAPOR) and abides by both organisations’ rules.

[wildoliver]

Good old Farage.

Cosies up to the Russians. Videos himself saying "up the ra". Has taken a succession of gravy train jobs. Is openly mostly interested in personal advancement and wealth gathering. Is in competition with JRM for toff of the month.

Man of the people.




I'd hate to meet the people if he is.

[crankedup5]

Reform U.K. attracts more (polls) voters in the 18 -24 age group than Conservatives. (From the link you posted, thanks for that Jinx).

[bad company]

S600BSB said:

rscott said:

Have we had the article about Reform candidate who said Vladimir Putin "seemed very good".
He's standing in Salisbury!
https://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/24407670.r...

The Telegraph are running that too. Thick as mince these people.

Similar to Remoaners ?

[Gecko1978]

Will they get 5 Mps ?

[Castrol for a knave]

crankedup5 said:

Reform U.K. attracts more (polls) voters in the 18 -24 age group than Conservatives. (From the link you posted, thanks for that Jinx).

Reform on 15%

Green on 13%

Cons on 9%.

Probably not surprising to see the Greens so high in that demographic.

What is interesting, is the voting intention of 18 through to 54 yr olds, peaking for Labour at 48% in the 25 to 34 yr olds, with Reform and Cons pretty much level pegging at 13% and 12% respectively.

Reform has a strong showing in the 55 plus age group.

However, the demographics are changing, and that 39% peaking at 48% Labour vote is at the core of the age groups coming through. I would argue that over the longer term, the Overton Window will sit centre left, reflecting younger voters' more socially democratic attitudes.

[wc98]

irc said:

Apart from the several times he was elected to the European parliament. But you are correct on influence as he almost singlehandedly got us out the EU.

Without the Brexit threat to Tory seats Dave wouldn't have promised a referendum.

Apologies, should have said to the UK parliament. I doubt Reform will do much this election, all the parties have their own batst crazy members but Reform really are out in front by a long way.

To be expected, as a new party they will be under more scrutiny than the established parties and we often see how long it takes an unsavoury past to surface when it's a long standing Labour or Conservative member, almost as though they are protected until they no longer curry favour or ps off someone senior in the party then all of a sudden a journalist "discovers" a past misdemeanour. In both cases it's good they get shown for what they are and booted out if need be.

None of this is of great concern to me at the moment. What is of concern is what is driving their existence. As it stands Reform aren't winning any power but if we carry on down the current path at some point either they or another party will get passable people in with a charismatic leader with little to no baggage and by then maybe more people will be feeling disaffected and willing to ignore some stuff they wouldn't have previously or discard some principles and all of a sudden we end up with a Reform or even worse knocking on the door of real power. Look at what's been happening in France with Le Pen. Her father could only dream of that level of support and i don't think her party is that far removed from that her father led.

[thetapeworm]

crankedup5 said:

tangerine_sedge said:

the-photographer said:

bad company said:

You called him a liar before but failed to come up with credible evidence.

Try putting any politician’s name into Google followed by the word liar.

This is classic Farage; deny, then when presented with an accurate statement that he can't deny, to turn on the interviewer.

Meanwhile Farage fans seem to like him because he "SPeAks ThE trUTh!!!"

No! politicians are masters of integrity and honesty of the highest order, we all know this . However, we tend to overlook this inconvenient truth when the politician we dislike can be held up to be exposed as such.

The supportive locals here love Jenkyns because "she stands up to the mob" and acts in a way they find agreeable,



Dare to suggest that the "baying mob" wasn't such a thing until she came back out after flipping them off and you're suddenly a "lefty troll" or they start blathering on about Prescott. The fact nobody else felt the need to respond in such a way is lost on them.



And now she's fighting with the Reform people she used to help her own campaign and opening aligns herself with...



https://x.com/andreajenkyns/status/180585998930038...


https://x.com/Arron_banks/status/18056789792794177...



A week ago:






Meanwhile the locals looking to shift from her to Reform seem to think they're voting for Farage rather than the semi-literate chap that's standing miles away from his own home (where there's no Reform candidate) who most would be embarrassed to have represent them.

[Vanden Saab]

Castrol for a knave said:

crankedup5 said:

Reform U.K. attracts more (polls) voters in the 18 -24 age group than Conservatives. (From the link you posted, thanks for that Jinx).

Reform on 15%

Green on 13%

Cons on 9%.

Probably not surprising to see the Greens so high in that demographic.

What is interesting, is the voting intention of 18 through to 54 yr olds, peaking for Labour at 48% in the 25 to 34 yr olds, with Reform and Cons pretty much level pegging at 13% and 12% respectively.

Reform has a strong showing in the 55 plus age group.

However, the demographics are changing, and that 39% peaking at 48% Labour vote is at the core of the age groups coming through. I would argue that over the longer term, the Overton Window will sit centre left, reflecting younger voters' more socially democratic attitudes.

Most of that age group have never lived as a voting adult under a Labour government so have no idea what left wing policies look like. . It might be very different in 10 years when they have lived through a parliament or two of left-wing policies as we are seeing in the younger age groups in EU countries.

[Killboy]

fido said:

https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-...

Reform UK - 19%

Wow labour are crushing it!

[Castrol for a knave]

Vanden Saab said:

Castrol for a knave said:

crankedup5 said:

Reform U.K. attracts more (polls) voters in the 18 -24 age group than Conservatives. (From the link you posted, thanks for that Jinx).

Reform on 15%

Green on 13%

Cons on 9%.

Probably not surprising to see the Greens so high in that demographic.

What is interesting, is the voting intention of 18 through to 54 yr olds, peaking for Labour at 48% in the 25 to 34 yr olds, with Reform and Cons pretty much level pegging at 13% and 12% respectively.

Reform has a strong showing in the 55 plus age group.

However, the demographics are changing, and that 39% peaking at 48% Labour vote is at the core of the age groups coming through. I would argue that over the longer term, the Overton Window will sit centre left, reflecting younger voters' more socially democratic attitudes.

Most of that age group have never lived as a voting adult under a Labour government so have no idea what left wing policies look like. . It might be very different in 10 years when they have lived through a parliament or two of left-wing policies as we are seeing in the younger age groups in EU countries.

Possibly, or they might think "these left wing* polices are cracking, five more years".

[Vasco]

Castrol for a knave said:

Possibly, or they might think "these left wing* polices are cracking, five more years".

Doesn't past experience suggest that, for may voters, boredom will set in with either main party after, say, 2 terms?. Labour will, presumably, have to increase the total tax collected if they attempt to do what they say - that's going to highlight a key difference between the parties.
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[President Merkin]

Castrol for a knave said:

Possibly, or they might think "these left wing* polices are cracking, five more years".

Or as seems much more likely, the kartofelkopfs are extrapolating excessively from a single poll because hopium & thus what are you all doing?

[Vanden Saab]

President Merkin said:

Castrol for a knave said:

Possibly, or they might think "these left wing* polices are cracking, five more years".

Or as seems much more likely, the kartofelkopfs are extrapolating excessively from a single poll because hopium & thus what are you all doing?

Oh hang on a minute, after hundreds of posts saying look how it is today are you actually now saying wait and see.

[tangerine_sedge]

crankedup5 said:

tangerine_sedge said:

the-photographer said:

bad company said:

You called him a liar before but failed to come up with credible evidence.

Try putting any politician’s name into Google followed by the word liar.

This is classic Farage; deny, then when presented with an accurate statement that he can't deny, to turn on the interviewer.

Meanwhile Farage fans seem to like him because he "SPeAks ThE trUTh!!!"

No! politicians are masters of integrity and honesty of the highest order, we all know this . However, we tend to overlook this inconvenient truth when the politician we dislike can be held up to be exposed as such.

Good to see that you don't deny that Farage is shifty, dishonest and without integrity, in fact you've doubled down by going "they're all the same route" - clue they aren't.

I can't ever see SKS turning his back on a childrens orchestra because they were playing the EU anthem - pettiness and pathetic in the extreme. Never mind the inflammatory language and images used in his campaigning, the flirtation with the far right and the multiple failures at election time.

Still, you put the tick in the box next to the reform candidate, assuming they are still standing in your area and haven't been stood down due to historical social media racism, sexism or public fellatio of Putin (when standing in Salisbury FFS - how stupid are their candidates?)