Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?
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911hope said:
bad company said:
You called him a liar before but failed to come up with credible evidence.
Try putting any politician’s name into Google followed by the word liar.
He's promised to reduce NHS waiting lists to zero in 2 years, but has no intention of trying to do so. Try putting any politician’s name into Google followed by the word liar.
It is completely implausible, so would this qualify as a lie?
He campaigned for Brexit to reduce immigration and the result is a huge increase. How about that being a lie?
How many times a day does he tell a lie about the other parties?
Have we had the article about Reform candidate who said Vladimir Putin "seemed very good".
He's standing in Salisbury!
https://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/24407670.r...
He's standing in Salisbury!
https://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/24407670.r...
Vanden Saab said:
Vasco said:
Dave200 said:
I find it curious that there's so much (misplaced) emphasis on "small boats" from Reform supporters, but none of them seem willing to back Labour who pledge to stop them.
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-opposition-lea...
Of course Labour are also planning to deal with the actual immigration problems, rather than just standing on a cliff and pointing at the boats as evidence of a broken immigration system.
So, the big pledge from Starmer to the small boats issue is to work with our foreign colleagues. How is that different to the current arrangement ?https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-opposition-lea...
Of course Labour are also planning to deal with the actual immigration problems, rather than just standing on a cliff and pointing at the boats as evidence of a broken immigration system.
You only have to look at the resources the EU has and their abject failure to do anything about the smugglers to understand that.
It’s not complicated.
You just need to remember that they are trying to hang onto their core voters, who want to give the immigrants council houses and a big hug, and the voters they are winning from the Tories who want to put them in jail or “send them back where they came from”.
So the fun game is to try and work out what Labour will actually do about it when they come to power with an unprecedented majority. I am going to say “nothing” as I reckon they will be too busy implementing all their new taxes.
Killboy said:
bad company said:
Yes. He changed his mind, he said just that.
Could that be called flip-flopping?Pan Pan Pan said:
Killboy said:
bad company said:
Yes. He changed his mind, he said just that.
Could that be called flip-flopping?DeejRC said:
And you were so receptive to it before Knave!
Another perspective would appear to be that his shtick is, in fact, still just as effective at doing what he wants it to do. A situation that you appear to eagerly encourage and participate in.
Just think how less wearisome it could be for you if you completely ignored him. A matter that is entirely in your hands.
Nah, I had him down as a grifter before he fell out of his little aeroplane. He's the same as George Galloway. Another perspective would appear to be that his shtick is, in fact, still just as effective at doing what he wants it to do. A situation that you appear to eagerly encourage and participate in.
Just think how less wearisome it could be for you if you completely ignored him. A matter that is entirely in your hands.
I'd like to ignore them both, but given we are in the run up to a General Election and I don't live in a treehouse with a family of squirrels, it's a bit tricky to avoid him on the telly.
Castrol for a knave said:
it's a bit tricky to avoid him on the telly.
He was easy to avoid in Clacton last night, the sole candidate to decline a hustings, leading to its cancellation. If I were a cynic, I'd guess it's easier to avoid scrutiny if you're only holding easily manipulable set piece events rather than having to think on your feet when the people you wish to represent want answers.Castrol for a knave said:
Nah, I had him down as a grifter before he fell out of his little aeroplane. He's the same as George Galloway.
I'd like to ignore them both, but given we are in the run up to a General Election and I don't live in a treehouse with a family of squirrels, it's a bit tricky to avoid him on the telly.
That’s strange. Apart from this thread, I’ve managed to avoid watching him on TV, listening to him or reading about him since the GE announcement. I'd like to ignore them both, but given we are in the run up to a General Election and I don't live in a treehouse with a family of squirrels, it's a bit tricky to avoid him on the telly.
As I said, the matter is entirely in your hands.
Dave200 said:
Murph7355 said:
Dave200 said:
Murph7355 said:
Dave200 said:
Looks like the numbers I found were wrong.
So should I assume you'll be voting Labour, who have a plan to tackle immigration numbers AND the (completely unrelated) problem of "small boats"?
Ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaa.So should I assume you'll be voting Labour, who have a plan to tackle immigration numbers AND the (completely unrelated) problem of "small boats"?
Sounds like you seem to be suggesting voting Labour for similar reason to those you tabled earlier.
This is grown-up political discourse at its finest.
You're voting Reform because you're quite bitter about life, and you like the idea of Nige the Liar "taking back control" and sticking it to the man. It lets you go on the internet and gloat anonymously.
It makes you feel less bitter, albeit briefly.
) and never UKIP. (nb, i've voted Labour more often than not in the 36 years i've been eligible to vote)I can't ever recall him making a nasty of offensive remark to anyone and his political comment is usually on the mark and worth reading. All through the Brexit debate on here (i'm sure you must have taken part ) and what i have read regarding Reform and Farage all i have seen from him is provide opinion on the how and why they have appeared, not anything that most people would take as support or any indication that's where his vote will be going.
I don't know him, am never likely to meet him but i doubt many that have would have anything bad to say, your reply to him above isn't warranted.
Given Farage has probably been one of the most influential politicians in the last 30 years without ever being elected and where calling anyone that intended to vote leave or indeed did, thick, racists, gammons etc i can only assume that holding an assumed sense of intellectual superiority is more important to you and others of the same opinion than actually persuading those with different opinions to get on side to vote for something positive ?
I can't believe some people are heading down the same road that we saw prior to the vote to leave the EU. Even Starmer is smart enough to know that all he has to do is keep schtum or at worst be light on detail, particularly on any controversial topic, to get himself into number 10.
rscott said:
Have we had the article about Reform candidate who said Vladimir Putin "seemed very good".
He's standing in Salisbury!
https://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/24407670.r...
The Telegraph are running that too. Thick as mince these people. He's standing in Salisbury!
https://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/24407670.r...
LimmerickLad said:
swisstoni said:
Dave and Co are virtual campaigners for the likes of Farage.
They are too intelligent to realise that, of course.
They could be seen as Reform's best recruiting sergeants of all..........I do wonder if they are a 'double bluff' and are Reformers in disguise? They are too intelligent to realise that, of course.
Me personally, I enjoyed Nige the Liar's photo manipulation of his 'rally'. It's all very cult of personality stuff, and easy to fall for the rhetoric if you aren't able to or interested in looking deeper.
wc98 said:
.Given Farage has probably been one of the most influential politicians in the last 30 years without ever being elected
Apart from the several times he was elected to the European parliament. But you are correct on influence as he almost singlehandedly got us out the EU. Without the Brexit threat to Tory seats Dave wouldn't have promised a referendum.
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