Missing lad in Tenerife
Discussion
PRO5T said:
I feel a bit dirty speculating but it sounds more like he thought he was going to get done in for robbing someones watch so tried to do a runner (from the airbnb where he was staying) and took the "scenic" route to stay off the main road as the person he took the watch off was coming to get it back.
He could have wandered miles from where his last phone location was and has probably succumbed in the wilderness.
Occams razor supports this theory IMHO.He could have wandered miles from where his last phone location was and has probably succumbed in the wilderness.
BikeBikeBIke said:
PRO5T said:
I feel a bit dirty speculating but it sounds more like he thought he was going to get done in for robbing someones watch so tried to do a runner (from the airbnb where he was staying) and took the "scenic" route to stay off the main road as the person he took the watch off was coming to get it back.
He could have wandered miles from where his last phone location was and has probably succumbed in the wilderness.
Occams razor supports this theory IMHO.He could have wandered miles from where his last phone location was and has probably succumbed in the wilderness.
If he hasn't fallen somewhere locally I don't believe he's out there.
ChocolateFrog said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
PRO5T said:
I feel a bit dirty speculating but it sounds more like he thought he was going to get done in for robbing someones watch so tried to do a runner (from the airbnb where he was staying) and took the "scenic" route to stay off the main road as the person he took the watch off was coming to get it back.
He could have wandered miles from where his last phone location was and has probably succumbed in the wilderness.
Occams razor supports this theory IMHO.He could have wandered miles from where his last phone location was and has probably succumbed in the wilderness.
If he hasn't fallen somewhere locally I don't believe he's out there.
The lad was obviously coming off a multiple day bender after consuming god knows what. Dehydrated and without food, presumably zero survival skills after the mean streets of Lancashire, in rough terrain and not knowing which direction to head once off the beaten track.The national parks aren’t like walking from one end of Tenerife to the other which is what-about the same as the coast to coast walk that experienced hikers usually take a week to do?
My usual route is about 7.5 miles over rough terrain, nothing like where he was though. Putting in about 15 to 20 miles a week I wouldn’t want to do anymore in a day over what we have in our national parks and I’d be seriously in need of rest after that.
Once you add in serious climbing you’re on another threat level before you add in risk of injury.
PRO5T said:
ChocolateFrog said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
PRO5T said:
I feel a bit dirty speculating but it sounds more like he thought he was going to get done in for robbing someones watch so tried to do a runner (from the airbnb where he was staying) and took the "scenic" route to stay off the main road as the person he took the watch off was coming to get it back.
He could have wandered miles from where his last phone location was and has probably succumbed in the wilderness.
Occams razor supports this theory IMHO.He could have wandered miles from where his last phone location was and has probably succumbed in the wilderness.
If he hasn't fallen somewhere locally I don't believe he's out there.
The lad was obviously coming off a multiple day bender after consuming god knows what. Dehydrated and without food, presumably zero survival skills after the mean streets of Lancashire, in rough terrain and not knowing which direction to head once off the beaten track.The national parks aren’t like walking from one end of Tenerife to the other which is what-about the same as the coast to coast walk that experienced hikers usually take a week to do?
My usual route is about 7.5 miles over rough terrain, nothing like where he was though. Putting in about 15 to 20 miles a week I wouldn’t want to do anymore in a day over what we have in our national parks and I’d be seriously in need of rest after that.
Once you add in serious climbing you’re on another threat level before you add in risk of injury.
A lad in espadrilles and clubwear, on a massive comedown, having not eaten for twenty-four hours and with only Evian and Marlborough lights for nourishment, would not have been in the best shape to tackle it, I don't think.
madbadger said:
If you happen to have an analogue wrist watch you can simply point the hour hand at the sun and bisect the angle between the hour hand and 12. This will be pointing due south so could be handy for navigation.
Handy if you also remember whether daylight saving applies, in which case you use 1 instead of 12. And obviously this is northern hemisphere only.I don’t know if Jay passed the relevant badges in Scouts…
skwdenyer said:
madbadger said:
If you happen to have an analogue wrist watch you can simply point the hour hand at the sun and bisect the angle between the hour hand and 12. This will be pointing due south so could be handy for navigation.
Handy if you also remember whether daylight saving applies, in which case you use 1 instead of 12. And obviously this is northern hemisphere only.I don’t know if Jay passed the relevant badges in Scouts…
Plus as mentioned you'd need to adjust for daylight saving
madbadger said:
If you happen to have an analogue wrist watch you can simply point the hour hand at the sun and bisect the angle between the hour hand and 12. This will be pointing due south so could be handy for navigation.
The chances of someone who made his living hitting people with weapons, selling drugs and stealing watches knowing this is pretty slim. I doubt he was a regular in scouts etc. madbadger said:
If you happen to have an analogue wrist watch you can simply point the hour hand at the sun and bisect the angle between the hour hand and 12. This will be pointing due south so could be handy for navigation.
Is it at that point he saw the second hand was "ticking", and he realised what an idiot he was?pingu393 said:
madbadger said:
If you happen to have an analogue wrist watch you can simply point the hour hand at the sun and bisect the angle between the hour hand and 12. This will be pointing due south so could be handy for navigation.
Is it at that point he saw the second hand was "ticking", and he realised what an idiot he was?
k before he got more than 5m of the road rendering it unreadable.DSLiverpool said:
Mr Miata said:
Cant wait for the Netflix series to be made about this. It’s going to be interesting viewing.
Lucy interviewed in shadow to preserve her day job. Meanwhile - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13597899/...
Who’d have thunk it?
Edited by 2HFL on Wednesday 3rd July 22:32
Louis Balfour said:
PRO5T said:
ChocolateFrog said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
PRO5T said:
I feel a bit dirty speculating but it sounds more like he thought he was going to get done in for robbing someones watch so tried to do a runner (from the airbnb where he was staying) and took the "scenic" route to stay off the main road as the person he took the watch off was coming to get it back.
He could have wandered miles from where his last phone location was and has probably succumbed in the wilderness.
Occams razor supports this theory IMHO.He could have wandered miles from where his last phone location was and has probably succumbed in the wilderness.
If he hasn't fallen somewhere locally I don't believe he's out there.
The lad was obviously coming off a multiple day bender after consuming god knows what. Dehydrated and without food, presumably zero survival skills after the mean streets of Lancashire, in rough terrain and not knowing which direction to head once off the beaten track.The national parks aren’t like walking from one end of Tenerife to the other which is what-about the same as the coast to coast walk that experienced hikers usually take a week to do?
My usual route is about 7.5 miles over rough terrain, nothing like where he was though. Putting in about 15 to 20 miles a week I wouldn’t want to do anymore in a day over what we have in our national parks and I’d be seriously in need of rest after that.
Once you add in serious climbing you’re on another threat level before you add in risk of injury.
A lad in espadrilles and clubwear, on a massive comedown, having not eaten for twenty-four hours and with only Evian and Marlborough lights for nourishment, would not have been in the best shape to tackle it, I don't think.
I’ve driven that road on quite a few occasions and you are in/between the mountains and the sea and there’s absolutely no reason to not walk the road as you’d not save anytime moving off it.
The terrain might be tough going but the only analogy I can think off to explain why there is no reason to leave the road is ….. it would be the equivalent that if you were walking along a passable causeway at high tide but decided that to walk in the sea waist deep instead was a better reason to get to where you wanted to go.
I’ve said it before but moving off the road makes no sense whatsoever …. unless he was in desperate need not to be seen. If that was the case you’d still not head far from the road until the coast was clear.
Finally. I’ve seen temperatures of 40 degrees in Las Giagantes, yet in Masca just 15 miles away it was in the mid twenties…. Hardly sweltering .
It’s just utterly bizarre if he’s got lost anywhere along that road.
Wozy68 said:
Louis Balfour said:
PRO5T said:
ChocolateFrog said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
PRO5T said:
I feel a bit dirty speculating but it sounds more like he thought he was going to get done in for robbing someones watch so tried to do a runner (from the airbnb where he was staying) and took the "scenic" route to stay off the main road as the person he took the watch off was coming to get it back.
He could have wandered miles from where his last phone location was and has probably succumbed in the wilderness.
Occams razor supports this theory IMHO.He could have wandered miles from where his last phone location was and has probably succumbed in the wilderness.
If he hasn't fallen somewhere locally I don't believe he's out there.
The lad was obviously coming off a multiple day bender after consuming god knows what. Dehydrated and without food, presumably zero survival skills after the mean streets of Lancashire, in rough terrain and not knowing which direction to head once off the beaten track.The national parks aren’t like walking from one end of Tenerife to the other which is what-about the same as the coast to coast walk that experienced hikers usually take a week to do?
My usual route is about 7.5 miles over rough terrain, nothing like where he was though. Putting in about 15 to 20 miles a week I wouldn’t want to do anymore in a day over what we have in our national parks and I’d be seriously in need of rest after that.
Once you add in serious climbing you’re on another threat level before you add in risk of injury.
A lad in espadrilles and clubwear, on a massive comedown, having not eaten for twenty-four hours and with only Evian and Marlborough lights for nourishment, would not have been in the best shape to tackle it, I don't think.
It’s just utterly bizarre if he’s got lost anywhere along that road.
PRO5T said:
Sorry Wozy for cutting your post but my post explains why that might be the case. It's easy to say you wouldn't do X, Y and Z in those circumstances but maybe that's why you're still alive and not missing off a road in an unforgiving national park.
He set off with a flat phone, shorts, t shirt, some sort of shoes, cigarettes and a lighter. No hat, food, water. Any money unknown.Not a recipe for success., self inflicted almost certainly, a tragedy for his family.
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