Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?
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the-photographer said:
bad company said:
You called him a liar before but failed to come up with credible evidence.
Try putting any politician’s name into Google followed by the word liar.
Try putting any politician’s name into Google followed by the word liar.
Meanwhile Farage fans seem to like him because he "SPeAks ThE trUTh!!!"
Killboy said:
bad company said:
You called him a liar before but failed to come up with credible evidence.
Try putting any politician’s name into Google followed by the word liar.
He seems to have deleted the Twitter post where he said he wasn't going to stand for reform and had more important business to help out Donald?Try putting any politician’s name into Google followed by the word liar.
Dave200 said:
Where did you read that in their three-point plan? Or is this yet more "Labour bogeyman" wibbling?
1) Boost Britain’s skills by joining-up Whitehall systems to spot and tackle skills shortages – so we can fire up skills training rather than look overseas to fill skills gaps, and end the days of sectors languishing on the shortage of skills list without a plan to deal with the problem.
2) Reform the points-based immigration system, bringing down migration. We will instruct the Migration Advisory Committee (MAC) to partner with other government agencies to ensure joined-up action to deliver the skills needed for growth, including priority sectors for our industrial strategy. We will work to reduce the need for international recruitment, boost per-capita growth, and ensure quick responses to changes in the labour market.
3) New powers to ban hiring from overseas for employers and recruitment agencies who break employment law. An end to workplace exploitation, where migration is used as a way to undercut the terms and conditions of workers here.
In essence, the above is a more intelligent and well thought-out version of what Reform are proposing with their vague "Freeze Non-Essential Immigration" and "Employer Immigration Tax" policies. Farage was challenged on the detail of this a couple of weeks back on BBC R4, and couldn't actually tell anyone what "Essential Immigration" was in practice.
Reform also make "small boats" the second bullet point in their 7-point plan, and their only detail as to how they plan to achieve this is the frankly ludicrous idea of leaving the ECHR.
Labour, on the other hand, have actually given this some thought and separated the issue out from immigration.
"Labour will launch a new Border Security Command with hundreds of new specialist investigators and counter-terror powers to smash criminal gangs and strengthen our borders."
So then, tell me what it is SPECIFICALLY about Reform's policy that you think people should vote for?
To be quite honest, there's little in that Starmer waffle that enthrals me. I'm certainly not convinced that Labour will achieve very much of that wish list.1) Boost Britain’s skills by joining-up Whitehall systems to spot and tackle skills shortages – so we can fire up skills training rather than look overseas to fill skills gaps, and end the days of sectors languishing on the shortage of skills list without a plan to deal with the problem.
2) Reform the points-based immigration system, bringing down migration. We will instruct the Migration Advisory Committee (MAC) to partner with other government agencies to ensure joined-up action to deliver the skills needed for growth, including priority sectors for our industrial strategy. We will work to reduce the need for international recruitment, boost per-capita growth, and ensure quick responses to changes in the labour market.
3) New powers to ban hiring from overseas for employers and recruitment agencies who break employment law. An end to workplace exploitation, where migration is used as a way to undercut the terms and conditions of workers here.
In essence, the above is a more intelligent and well thought-out version of what Reform are proposing with their vague "Freeze Non-Essential Immigration" and "Employer Immigration Tax" policies. Farage was challenged on the detail of this a couple of weeks back on BBC R4, and couldn't actually tell anyone what "Essential Immigration" was in practice.
Reform also make "small boats" the second bullet point in their 7-point plan, and their only detail as to how they plan to achieve this is the frankly ludicrous idea of leaving the ECHR.
Labour, on the other hand, have actually given this some thought and separated the issue out from immigration.
"Labour will launch a new Border Security Command with hundreds of new specialist investigators and counter-terror powers to smash criminal gangs and strengthen our borders."
So then, tell me what it is SPECIFICALLY about Reform's policy that you think people should vote for?
Reform has a lot of questions to answer (and probably few good answers) but I'm far more concerned with a seemingly weak Labour party/manifesto - and leader.
Dave200 said:
Murph7355 said:
Dave200 said:
Murph7355 said:
Dave200 said:
Looks like the numbers I found were wrong.
So should I assume you'll be voting Labour, who have a plan to tackle immigration numbers AND the (completely unrelated) problem of "small boats"?
Ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaa.So should I assume you'll be voting Labour, who have a plan to tackle immigration numbers AND the (completely unrelated) problem of "small boats"?
Sounds like you seem to be suggesting voting Labour for similar reason to those you tabled earlier.
This is grown-up political discourse at its finest.
You're voting Reform because you're quite bitter about life, and you like the idea of Nige the Liar "taking back control" and sticking it to the man. It lets you go on the internet and gloat anonymously.
It makes you feel less bitter, albeit briefly.
Or is that you have upgraded the Griffs wiring to David Gerald spec wires and headlights and the f
kers still don’t bloody work!?andymadmak said:
Dave200 said:
Perhaps, just perhaps, they are sitting back and thinking "this is what they wanted when they said they were going to take back control of their borders".
I hope thats not what they are doing. It would be petulant in the extreme and utterly heartless to allow people to set off to their deaths just to score some petty point over Brexit.valiant said:
Vasco said:
Quite.
I'm still waiting to hear how the French can manage to not see, or overlook, the hundreds setting out across the Channel. In particular, just how do you buy and transport so many new inflatable boats so that, at times, numerous can be inflated ready for loading hundreds of people - presumably nobody sees them or knows anybody who supplies such specialist equipment ?
The French coastline is long. It is impossible to police all of it. Once a dinghy is in the water then the police won’t touch them due to H&S and it then becomes a coastguard/french border force/navy problem. The migrants don’t want to be deterred and will fight back making a dangerous environment even more so and what chance do 3 or 4 coppers have against 50 migrants intent on crossing?I'm still waiting to hear how the French can manage to not see, or overlook, the hundreds setting out across the Channel. In particular, just how do you buy and transport so many new inflatable boats so that, at times, numerous can be inflated ready for loading hundreds of people - presumably nobody sees them or knows anybody who supplies such specialist equipment ?
They’re not purchasing the dinghy’s from the French version of Argos - they’re mainly coming from places like Turkey where they are basically knocked up in sheds and then driven to where they’re needed and then inflated for a onetime crossing. Sea worthy they ain’t.
It’s organised crime. They’ll have the logistics well sorted out.
Nigel Farage wins best news presenter award for the second year running.
https://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/1915229/n...
May have been posted already but I couldn't be arsed to look, and anyway it's always nice to see Nigel's happy smiling face.
https://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/1915229/n...
May have been posted already but I couldn't be arsed to look, and anyway it's always nice to see Nigel's happy smiling face.
thetapeworm said:
I do hope that happens. amongst the reasons we use pencils rather than pens is that a freshly-inked cross, followed by a swift folding of the paper, can - depending upon the pen - result in a second cross on the ballot paper, spoiling it.So come to think of it, we should encourage Reform supporters to show their commitment to Ye Old Merrie England by using quill and ink. In fact, we could stand outside polling stations handing them out, together with a commemorative union jack canapé flag
Dave200 said:
andymadmak said:
Dave200 said:
Perhaps, just perhaps, they are sitting back and thinking "this is what they wanted when they said they were going to take back control of their borders".
I hope thats not what they are doing. It would be petulant in the extreme and utterly heartless to allow people to set off to their deaths just to score some petty point over Brexit.There was a lord ashcroft poll and everything.
The big poster was just an allegory or summat. And reform having a fascist leaning candidate or two, and keep vamping on about immigration shouldn't be an indication of their intent or views
Allegedly.
M.
Dave200 said:
andymadmak said:
Dave200 said:
Perhaps, just perhaps, they are sitting back and thinking "this is what they wanted when they said they were going to take back control of their borders".
I hope thats not what they are doing. It would be petulant in the extreme and utterly heartless to allow people to set off to their deaths just to score some petty point over Brexit.skwdenyer said:
thetapeworm said:
I do hope that happens. amongst the reasons we use pencils rather than pens is that a freshly-inked cross, followed by a swift folding of the paper, can - depending upon the pen - result in a second cross on the ballot paper, spoiling it.So come to think of it, we should encourage Reform supporters to show their commitment to Ye Old Merrie England by using quill and ink. In fact, we could stand outside polling stations handing them out, together with a commemorative union jack canapé flag
M.
Dave200 said:
turbobloke said:
As I haven't looked into the small print of Reform economics
An odd, but not entirely unexpected, position from someone who spends his day on the internet arguing in their favour. Fairly representative, I'd say.Ouch!
You know how turbs goes quiet for a bit and slinks away when he takes a particularly sore one?
I reckon 3 day blackout before he reckons the coast is clear…
Disastrous said:
Dave200 said:
turbobloke said:
As I haven't looked into the small print of Reform economics
An odd, but not entirely unexpected, position from someone who spends his day on the internet arguing in their favour. Fairly representative, I'd say.Ouch!
You know how turbs goes quiet for a bit and slinks away when he takes a particularly sore one?
I reckon 3 day blackout before he reckons the coast is clear…
Disastrous said:
Dave200 said:
turbobloke said:
As I haven't looked into the small print of Reform economics
An odd, but not entirely unexpected, position from someone who spends his day on the internet arguing in their favour. Fairly representative, I'd say.Ouch!
You know how turbs goes quiet for a bit and slinks away when he takes a particularly sore one?
I reckon 3 day blackout before he reckons the coast is clear…
how many people read the small print on anything, let alone the Political parties manifesto prior voting or supporting a party. Reform voter here, in a Labour safe seat, but chatting with people I am surprised the number of people voting reform, call it a protest vote if you like but it will be interesting.....
Mortarboard said:
skwdenyer said:
thetapeworm said:
I do hope that happens. amongst the reasons we use pencils rather than pens is that a freshly-inked cross, followed by a swift folding of the paper, can - depending upon the pen - result in a second cross on the ballot paper, spoiling it.So come to think of it, we should encourage Reform supporters to show their commitment to Ye Old Merrie England by using quill and ink. In fact, we could stand outside polling stations handing them out, together with a commemorative union jack canapé flag
M.
bad company said:
You called him a liar before but failed to come up with credible evidence.
Try putting any politician’s name into Google followed by the word liar.
He's promised to reduce NHS waiting lists to zero in 2 years, but has no intention of trying to do so. Try putting any politician’s name into Google followed by the word liar.
It is completely implausible, so would this qualify as a lie?
He campaigned for Brexit to reduce immigration and the result is a huge increase. How about that being a lie?
How many times a day does he tell a lie about the other parties?
911hope said:
bad company said:
You called him a liar before but failed to come up with credible evidence.
Try putting any politician’s name into Google followed by the word liar.
He's promised to reduce NHS waiting lists to zero in 2 years, but has no intention of trying to do so. Try putting any politician’s name into Google followed by the word liar.
It is completely implausible, so would this qualify as a lie?
He campaigned for Brexit to reduce immigration and the result is a huge increase. How about that being a lie?
How many times a day does he tell a lie about the other parties?
911hope said:
bad company said:
You called him a liar before but failed to come up with credible evidence.
Try putting any politician’s name into Google followed by the word liar.
He's promised to reduce NHS waiting lists to zero in 2 years, but has no intention of trying to do so. Try putting any politician’s name into Google followed by the word liar.
It is completely implausible, so would this qualify as a lie?
He campaigned for Brexit to reduce immigration and the result is a huge increase. How about that being a lie?
How many times a day does he tell a lie about the other parties?
The schtick is becoming evermore apparent and the man in the pub act wearisome.
And you were so receptive to it before Knave!
Another perspective would appear to be that his shtick is, in fact, still just as effective at doing what he wants it to do. A situation that you appear to eagerly encourage and participate in.
Just think how less wearisome it could be for you if you completely ignored him. A matter that is entirely in your hands.
Another perspective would appear to be that his shtick is, in fact, still just as effective at doing what he wants it to do. A situation that you appear to eagerly encourage and participate in.
Just think how less wearisome it could be for you if you completely ignored him. A matter that is entirely in your hands.
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