General Election July 2024
Discussion
P-Jay said:
I'm a centrist, so I'd like to see the likes of the ERG, Braverman, Boris, JRM and that Pound Shop Penfold Francois tarred and feathered and out the door.
The problem is that the headbangers tend to be in the safest seats, so after a heavy defeat the pool of sensible members post GE will be smaller than it is now. The fault lies in the local associations who keep on picking what many small c conservatives would regard as loonies.thetapeworm said:
I never liked the Skoda Estelle but it wouldn't stop me appreciating their evolution and giving a Skoda Superb 280 a chance.
He won’t even answer a question straight! He lies and backtracks constantly and they will open the doors to mass immigration Edited by thetapeworm on Wednesday 3rd July 11:31
Was only 2019 he was all up for corbyn and now he says he wasn’t and he only did that because he knew Corbyn wouldn’t get in!
The guy is a snake
Also this great British energy bull they’re peddling! Won’t produce a single kWh it’s just an investment company!
Also Labour run wales is screwed!
Labour run councils going bust
JagLover said:
Unreal said:
I have aside plenty of alcohol and snacks to follow everything from 10pm tomorrow night.
I'm done with the speculating. Just looking forward to seeing which predictions were accurate over the coming days and weeks.
I've stayed up a few times before and noticed that nothing really happens until around 2am, and those results you do get have those teams running around desperately in order to be that early.I'm done with the speculating. Just looking forward to seeing which predictions were accurate over the coming days and weeks.
You have the exit poll, hours of speculating about the exit poll, lots of shots of schoolboys running with ballot boxes, and then things starting happening around 2am.
You could have had 5 hours sleep by then, so that is what I shall be trying to do.
Riff Raff said:
P-Jay said:
I'm a centrist, so I'd like to see the likes of the ERG, Braverman, Boris, JRM and that Pound Shop Penfold Francois tarred and feathered and out the door.
The problem is that the headbangers tend to be in the safest seats, so after a heavy defeat the pool of sensible members post GE will be smaller than it is now. The fault lies in the local associations who keep on picking what many small c conservatives would regard as loonies.
t question, we know the reasons, but the thing that struck me was how far they seemed to be from the average 'Man on the street', I don't know where they came from, but I can't imagine them being too keen on Thatcher because of her Pro-EU, Pro-Business stance, Free Market stance, or Major for his level-headed pragmatism, they wanted Boris. P-Jay said:
Riff Raff said:
P-Jay said:
I'm a centrist, so I'd like to see the likes of the ERG, Braverman, Boris, JRM and that Pound Shop Penfold Francois tarred and feathered and out the door.
The problem is that the headbangers tend to be in the safest seats, so after a heavy defeat the pool of sensible members post GE will be smaller than it is now. The fault lies in the local associations who keep on picking what many small c conservatives would regard as loonies.t question, we know the reasons, but the thing that struck me was how far they seemed to be from the average 'Man on the street', I don't know where they came from, but I can't imagine them being too keen on Thatcher because of her Pro-EU, Pro-Business stance, Free Market stance, or Major for his level-headed pragmatism, they wanted Boris. James6112 said:
ghost83 said:
He won’t even answer a question straight! He lies and backtracks constantly and they will open the doors to mass immigration
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Immigration is at an all time high under the Tories.….
The vast majority here legally.
P-Jay said:
Killboy said:
LGTM 
That's terrible. It's a desperate message and I don't think it's going to appeal to the sorts of people it wants too, but mostly the Tories have painted KS as Kitchener, that's Boris style populism, it might have the reverse effect.
I get the impression sometimes the Tories are fighting this on the cheap, maybe they knew they couldn't win, donors are leaving them, maybe they're hoarding cash to ensure they survive into opposition. Seems very far-fetched, but I can't imagine a half decent copywriter / graphic designer coming up with that, even in a hurry. It looks like the work for a Workie playing around with Canva.
In other news, whatever government (yes I know it will be Labour) we get, is going to inherit an economy which is, in G7 terms, in pretty good shape, despite what many might say:
https://www.cityam.com/uk-economy-not-as-bad-as-is...
I have no candidate that represents what I want to vote for.
Conservative - I am not happy with their mismanagement, so nope
Labour - a candidate that presided over very dodgy, bordering on downright criminal mismanagement in a previous political role, so nope
Lib Dems - appear to want to jump asap back into EU irrespective of the issues the EU are facing at mo, so nope (rejoining EU on sensible and mutually beneficial terms is not a problem for me)
Green - they have not got a clue, so nope
Independent - see Green
Reform - I am not a racist moron, so nope
Genuinely thinking of spoiling my vote.
Conservative - I am not happy with their mismanagement, so nope
Labour - a candidate that presided over very dodgy, bordering on downright criminal mismanagement in a previous political role, so nope
Lib Dems - appear to want to jump asap back into EU irrespective of the issues the EU are facing at mo, so nope (rejoining EU on sensible and mutually beneficial terms is not a problem for me)
Green - they have not got a clue, so nope
Independent - see Green
Reform - I am not a racist moron, so nope
Genuinely thinking of spoiling my vote.
biggbn said:
Blair? A socialist? Some serious revisionism going on there!
I know, I know 
But look what happened, they ended up with Corbyn as leader. I fear that it won't be long before Starmer is pushed aside and the inexorable slide to the left begins. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's Labour.
This is a motoring forum, right? What do we know about policies that might impact motorists?
I think Labour will be the worst for motorists. They *will* raise fuel duty, and they've already said they will bring the 2030 end date for pure ICE cars back....
I'm surprised people interested in cars would vote for them....never mind all their other mad ideas
I think Labour will be the worst for motorists. They *will* raise fuel duty, and they've already said they will bring the 2030 end date for pure ICE cars back....
I'm surprised people interested in cars would vote for them....never mind all their other mad ideas
scenario8 said:
It really is astonishing that the Conservative Party is getting itself into a position where it will end up at an anticipated 64 seats, and Labour will surge up to 484. 484?! Just incredible numbers. Where are all these MPs coming from?
It’s hard to know where to begin with these fortunes, really. I suppose the incumbent is being blamed with the never ending economic malaise since the GFC, the inevitable horseplop that would follow the global covid response and for having just hung around too long - and generally for being st and mismanaging public opinion so badly that they’re widely regarded as being so st. All so recently after winning the previous GE with a mandate to simply get on with delivering Brexit - for good or bad. Remarkable really.
Remarkable also that Labour are going to benefit so greatly from all this. Having been thought of as having lost that previous election comprehensively and staring oblivion in the face. So we were told. Who does this telling? The hyperbole spoken after that result shown up for being such nonsense. Yet here we are staring at the most monstrous probable Labour majority. At a time where it’s clear there’s so little separating the two parties. Far far less than was the case in my youth and younger years.
SNP representation likely to crumble too. Again, incumbents being blamed for being st and being seen to be st. Once again Labour hoovering up.
I can’t recall an election remotely like it. It knocks 97 out of the park.
Interesting times.
Interesting times ahead, too, as I just can’t see how Labour are going to either particularly improve things - or be seen to have improved things. They’ll have exactly the same structural issues to deal with.
I was reading Politics in 97 at the sort of place where the tutors were almost exclusively left wing, but the students and especially their parents markedly less so. Even there you couldn’t escape the general feeling that the departing Conservative government had become very stale and there was a genuine expectation that things could only get better (TM). I’m just not feeling that now. Perhaps it’s simply an age thing. Maybe younger generations, equipped with a naturally more optimistic outlook are more excited for the future. Good luck to them if they are.
484? For real? Crazy.
Look at the polls.It’s hard to know where to begin with these fortunes, really. I suppose the incumbent is being blamed with the never ending economic malaise since the GFC, the inevitable horseplop that would follow the global covid response and for having just hung around too long - and generally for being s
t and mismanaging public opinion so badly that they’re widely regarded as being so st. All so recently after winning the previous GE with a mandate to simply get on with delivering Brexit - for good or bad. Remarkable really.Remarkable also that Labour are going to benefit so greatly from all this. Having been thought of as having lost that previous election comprehensively and staring oblivion in the face. So we were told. Who does this telling? The hyperbole spoken after that result shown up for being such nonsense. Yet here we are staring at the most monstrous probable Labour majority. At a time where it’s clear there’s so little separating the two parties. Far far less than was the case in my youth and younger years.
SNP representation likely to crumble too. Again, incumbents being blamed for being s
t and being seen to be st. Once again Labour hoovering up.I can’t recall an election remotely like it. It knocks 97 out of the park.
Interesting times.
Interesting times ahead, too, as I just can’t see how Labour are going to either particularly improve things - or be seen to have improved things. They’ll have exactly the same structural issues to deal with.
I was reading Politics in 97 at the sort of place where the tutors were almost exclusively left wing, but the students and especially their parents markedly less so. Even there you couldn’t escape the general feeling that the departing Conservative government had become very stale and there was a genuine expectation that things could only get better (TM). I’m just not feeling that now. Perhaps it’s simply an age thing. Maybe younger generations, equipped with a naturally more optimistic outlook are more excited for the future. Good luck to them if they are.
484? For real? Crazy.
This has nothing to do with the GFC.
This is not austerity.
Not Brexit.
Not Covid.
In summer 2021 AFTER all the above had happened, the Tories were riding high in the polls, as a mid-term government. They were headed to another election win. And with an 80-seat majority that's what should have happened.
Then they went into a nosedive.
Scandals - most notably partygate.
Then the Truss debacle.
And the economy. Cost of living and high interest rates are probably the killer here.
oyster said:
Look at the polls.
This has nothing to do with the GFC.
This is not austerity.
Not Brexit.
Not Covid.
In summer 2021 AFTER all the above had happened, the Tories were riding high in the polls, as a mid-term government. They were headed to another election win. And with an 80-seat majority that's what should have happened.
Then they went into a nosedive.
Scandals - most notably partygate.
Then the Truss debacle.
And the economy. Cost of living and high interest rates are probably the killer here.
You are contradicting yourself "And the economy. Cost of living and high interest rates are probably the killer here" are all connected with years of near economic stagnation followed by the economic catastrophe of lockdown.This has nothing to do with the GFC.
This is not austerity.
Not Brexit.
Not Covid.
In summer 2021 AFTER all the above had happened, the Tories were riding high in the polls, as a mid-term government. They were headed to another election win. And with an 80-seat majority that's what should have happened.
Then they went into a nosedive.
Scandals - most notably partygate.
Then the Truss debacle.
And the economy. Cost of living and high interest rates are probably the killer here.
The population loved lockdown but hated the consequences.
GSE said:
biggbn said:
Blair? A socialist? Some serious revisionism going on there!
I know, I know But look what happened, they ended up with Corbyn as leader. I fear that it won't be long before Starmer is pushed aside and the inexorable slide to the left begins. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's Labour.
Starmer is the opposite. I don't like him. I don't trust him. He jist seems like a typical 'politician', but I will say he is clearly leagues above Corbyn...and Sunak...as a leader of a party. Neither of those accolades come from clearing a particularly high bar admittedly. He/they won't get my vote so I will return to a political hinterland from where I will continue observing with an open mind and occasionally putting forward my naive, idealistic views, because I'm an optimist if nothing else and I have a deep seated belief that people are essentially decent!!
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