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hing! S600BSB said:
LimmerickLad said:
Killboy said:
I think that with the amount of media attention Reform are getting to only get a handful of seats is a bit of a failure. 
Agreed..assuming you mean the 2029 election.LimmerickLad said:
S600BSB said:
LimmerickLad said:
Killboy said:
I think that with the amount of media attention Reform are getting to only get a handful of seats is a bit of a failure.
Agreed..assuming you mean the 2029 election."Powerful Jews" are “agitating” to import “third-world Muslims” into Britain
Jewish Chronicle said:
The candidate for Bournemouth West, Ben Aston, claimed that Jews were planning to organise Muslim migration into Britain and that the UK government was “injecting” Britain with African men.
If this had been Dianne Abbott Reform supporters would have gone into meltdown. turbobloke said:
If it was correct that Reform have no influence now or in future, little attention and no attack mode hype would be needed. See above.
Fever dream: ironic in context, risible after brexit. Name-calling: predictable. Moaning about media coverage while denying influence - comedic.
I just find it risible that Reform and their supporters have reduced politics to a popularity contest, akin to the cult of personality, where they revel in criticism. I'd feel similarly if it was the Greens whose candidates and supporters were behaving this way.Fever dream: ironic in context, risible after brexit. Name-calling: predictable. Moaning about media coverage while denying influence - comedic.
As for "media coverage = influence", I assume you think that Diane Abbott is similarly influential given the amount of "coverage" she gets?
I doubt if Reform will get more than 2 seats - and that's assuming that Farage wins his, which is not a certainty given his record of running for the HoC over the years. I see Reform as being 2 things
1. A catalyst for a major shake up in the Conservative party - long overdue imho. The Conservatives need to go back to basics ( no Major pun intended) and be the broad church, centre right party that has always brought them success in the past.
2. A vent valve for debate about things that the main parties don't want to talk about but which many voters clearly do!
The only thing I find strange about all this is the obvious blind panic that some on the left (on here) seem to have about Reform - far greater than most right wingers! If Reform is ONLY going to take Conservative voters away then why bother complaining at all? The truth might be more subtle than that, and I fancy that a fair old few Labour voters might also be considering Reform simply because they don't believe that SKS et al will get to grips with the problems faced by the UK. (based on my not very scientific quizzing of several long term Labour supporting friends)
That being said. Labour will win the GE, comfortably. The Tories will be humbled, rightly. Reform's role (assuming they get an MP, but even if they don't) will be to force parties to discuss the things they don't want to discuss but which the public has concerns about such as:
Immigration, the NHS, the post Brexit direction for UK PLC, Government competence etc..
1. A catalyst for a major shake up in the Conservative party - long overdue imho. The Conservatives need to go back to basics ( no Major pun intended) and be the broad church, centre right party that has always brought them success in the past.
2. A vent valve for debate about things that the main parties don't want to talk about but which many voters clearly do!
The only thing I find strange about all this is the obvious blind panic that some on the left (on here) seem to have about Reform - far greater than most right wingers! If Reform is ONLY going to take Conservative voters away then why bother complaining at all? The truth might be more subtle than that, and I fancy that a fair old few Labour voters might also be considering Reform simply because they don't believe that SKS et al will get to grips with the problems faced by the UK. (based on my not very scientific quizzing of several long term Labour supporting friends)
That being said. Labour will win the GE, comfortably. The Tories will be humbled, rightly. Reform's role (assuming they get an MP, but even if they don't) will be to force parties to discuss the things they don't want to discuss but which the public has concerns about such as:
Immigration, the NHS, the post Brexit direction for UK PLC, Government competence etc..
Dave200 said:
Right. Back to the fever dream stuff.
They've had a hugely disproportionation amount of media coverage this election, and a generational collapse of the Tory party to benefit from. And their grand total is 2 seats.
Does Nige the Liar's plan (probably written on another fag packet) look something like this:
1. Make empty promises
2. Get loads of media attention
3. ???
4. General Election 2029
It's always been 2 and 4. Has anybody said otherwise?They've had a hugely disproportionation amount of media coverage this election, and a generational collapse of the Tory party to benefit from. And their grand total is 2 seats.
Does Nige the Liar's plan (probably written on another fag packet) look something like this:
1. Make empty promises
2. Get loads of media attention
3. ???
4. General Election 2029
I wonder what comments we'll be making around 2029.....
crankedup5 said:
Killboy said:
I think that with the amount of media attention Reform are getting to only get a handful of seats is a bit of a failure.
I’m looking forward to read about voting percentages, how many voters have voted for each Party standing. Also the turnout numbers.President Merkin said:
Why is there a queue of rocket scientists in here who blithely assume being critical of Reform automatically makes them left wingers? It's such a lazy trope.
Who has said that? Are you making stuff up again PM? Tropes to the left, tropes to the right, so many of them from your own fetid mind.andymadmak said:
1. A catalyst for a major shake up in the Conservative party - long overdue imho. The Conservatives need to go back to basics ( no Major pun intended) and be the broad church, centre right party that has always brought them success in the past.
Presumably by removing all the anti EU lot who have been a thorn in the centrists' sides for years?Edited by Bill on Tuesday 25th June 10:51
Dave200 said:
turbobloke said:
If it was correct that Reform have no influence now or in future, little attention and no attack mode hype would be needed. See above.
Fever dream: ironic in context, risible after brexit. Name-calling: predictable. Moaning about media coverage while denying influence - comedic.
I just find it risible that Reform and their supporters have reduced politics to a popularity contest, akin to the cult of personality, where they revel in criticism. I'd feel similarly if it was the Greens whose candidates and supporters were behaving this way.Fever dream: ironic in context, risible after brexit. Name-calling: predictable. Moaning about media coverage while denying influence - comedic.
As for "media coverage = influence", I assume you think that Diane Abbott is similarly influential given the amount of "coverage" she gets?
Dave200 said:
What does it tell you if Reform manage to snare two seats during a generational collapse of the Tory party, and in an election where the turnout is forecast by some to be "the worst in modern history"?
Considering they only managed 2 seats in the local elections, I'd call that a miracle. swisstoni said:
President Merkin said:
Why is there a queue of rocket scientists in here who blithely assume being critical of Reform automatically makes them left wingers? It's such a lazy trope.
Probably alongside the queue of brain surgeons who are assuming eveyone else is a Reform supporter.With regard to the thread title and Reform seats, the first MRP YouGov poll in March predicted zero seats. The latest a few days ago had Reform on 5 seats including Farage in Clacton iirc, this would be a-good-thing in terms of shaking up debates in the HoC and with media / public discussions.
andymadmak said:
Who has said that? Are you making stuff up again PM? Tropes to the left, tropes to the right, so many of them from your own fetid mind.
Fetid. Ever the charmer.Anyway, you. Literally five minutes ago. You have this endearing habit of denying things you wrote than everyone can see.
andymadmak said:
The only thing I find strange about all this is the obvious blind panic that some on the left (on here) seem to have about Reform
Anyway, push off Andy. I have no intention of getting down to your tune this morning.andymadmak said:
I doubt if Reform will get more than 2 seats - and that's assuming that Farage wins his, which is not a certainty given his record of running for the HoC over the years. I see Reform as being 2 things
1. A catalyst for a major shake up in the Conservative party - long overdue imho. The Conservatives need to go back to basics ( no Major pun intended) and be the broad church, centre right party that has always brought them success in the past.
2. A vent valve for debate about things that the main parties don't want to talk about but which many voters clearly do!
The only thing I find strange about all this is the obvious blind panic that some on the left (on here) seem to have about Reform - far greater than most right wingers! If Reform is ONLY going to take Conservative voters away then why bother complaining at all? The truth might be more subtle than that, and I fancy that a fair old few Labour voters might also be considering Reform simply because they don't believe that SKS et al will get to grips with the problems faced by the UK. (based on my not very scientific quizzing of several long term Labour supporting friends)
That being said. Labour will win the GE, comfortably. The Tories will be humbled, rightly. Reform's role (assuming they get an MP, but even if they don't) will be to force parties to discuss the things they don't want to discuss but which the public has concerns about such as:
Immigration, the NHS, the post Brexit direction for UK PLC, Government competence etc..
Agreed,neat summary.1. A catalyst for a major shake up in the Conservative party - long overdue imho. The Conservatives need to go back to basics ( no Major pun intended) and be the broad church, centre right party that has always brought them success in the past.
2. A vent valve for debate about things that the main parties don't want to talk about but which many voters clearly do!
The only thing I find strange about all this is the obvious blind panic that some on the left (on here) seem to have about Reform - far greater than most right wingers! If Reform is ONLY going to take Conservative voters away then why bother complaining at all? The truth might be more subtle than that, and I fancy that a fair old few Labour voters might also be considering Reform simply because they don't believe that SKS et al will get to grips with the problems faced by the UK. (based on my not very scientific quizzing of several long term Labour supporting friends)
That being said. Labour will win the GE, comfortably. The Tories will be humbled, rightly. Reform's role (assuming they get an MP, but even if they don't) will be to force parties to discuss the things they don't want to discuss but which the public has concerns about such as:
Immigration, the NHS, the post Brexit direction for UK PLC, Government competence etc..
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