General Election July 2024
Discussion
carlo996 said:
blueg33 said:
I wouldn’t vote conservative with their current collection of candidates most of whom have been part of the last 10 or more years of absolute chaos and vitriol. I don’t think Sunak is the problem, he is part of the problem.
You can flip a turd over but it is still a turd.
The same can be said of Labour. Sure Starmer has been sprayed with Mr Sheen, but the lefty loonies remain right under the thin veneer. You can flip a turd over but it is still a turd.
Not sure the UK is ready to vote for a PM from an ethnic background - another Tory candidate may have been better IMO.
blueg33 said:
I would vote for them if they could even get back to the decidedly average party they were under Cameron and May. By not targeting me and people like me in Gloucestershire and putting forward "normal" people, they run a very real risk of losing the safe seat in Tewkesbury, not to Labour but to Lib Dem
The 'decidedly average party' that delivered a Brexit vote. I wouldn't call that an 'average' time in our history. carlo996 said:
blueg33 said:
I wouldn’t vote conservative with their current collection of candidates most of whom have been part of the last 10 or more years of absolute chaos and vitriol. I don’t think Sunak is the problem, he is part of the problem.
You can flip a turd over but it is still a turd.
The same can be said of Labour. Sure Starmer has been sprayed with Mr Sheen, but the lefty loonies remain right under the thin veneer. You can flip a turd over but it is still a turd.
Chris Stott said:
carlo996 said:
blueg33 said:
I wouldn’t vote conservative with their current collection of candidates most of whom have been part of the last 10 or more years of absolute chaos and vitriol. I don’t think Sunak is the problem, he is part of the problem.
You can flip a turd over but it is still a turd.
The same can be said of Labour. Sure Starmer has been sprayed with Mr Sheen, but the lefty loonies remain right under the thin veneer. You can flip a turd over but it is still a turd.
911Spanker said:
carlo996 said:
blueg33 said:
I wouldn’t vote conservative with their current collection of candidates most of whom have been part of the last 10 or more years of absolute chaos and vitriol. I don’t think Sunak is the problem, he is part of the problem.
You can flip a turd over but it is still a turd.
The same can be said of Labour. Sure Starmer has been sprayed with Mr Sheen, but the lefty loonies remain right under the thin veneer. You can flip a turd over but it is still a turd.
Not sure the UK is ready to vote for a PM from an ethnic background - another Tory candidate may have been better IMO.
blueg33 said:
911Spanker said:
carlo996 said:
blueg33 said:
I wouldn’t vote conservative with their current collection of candidates most of whom have been part of the last 10 or more years of absolute chaos and vitriol. I don’t think Sunak is the problem, he is part of the problem.
You can flip a turd over but it is still a turd.
The same can be said of Labour. Sure Starmer has been sprayed with Mr Sheen, but the lefty loonies remain right under the thin veneer. You can flip a turd over but it is still a turd.
Not sure the UK is ready to vote for a PM from an ethnic background - another Tory candidate may have been better IMO.
I see Labour falling into the same trap as the Tories. Have one hardcore wing which brings the party down in the end.
I couldn't vote Labour for this reason but knowing the country is going down the toilet have made my own arrangements.
The now only have the fear of a ‘SUPERMAJORITY!!!’ to campaign on. Utterly pathetic.
https://x.com/rishisunak/status/180838229822970289...
https://x.com/rishisunak/status/180838229822970289...
911Spanker said:
I think there are quite a few hard left in the party who will be driving their agenda.
I see Labour falling into the same trap as the Tories. Have one hardcore wing which brings the party down in the end.
I couldn't vote Labour for this reason but knowing the country is going down the toilet have made my own arrangements.
Is this 'Labour bogeyman' in the room with us?I see Labour falling into the same trap as the Tories. Have one hardcore wing which brings the party down in the end.
I couldn't vote Labour for this reason but knowing the country is going down the toilet have made my own arrangements.
philv said:
2 days until the uk votes in a far left socialist government with such a majority they can transform this country in a way not seen for a generation.
For good or bad.
Because people are pissed off with the tories.
Absolute nuts.
Every protest vote is a vote for socialism.
For good or bad.
Because people are pissed off with the tories.
Absolute nuts.
Every protest vote is a vote for socialism.
After 14 years of utter clusterf
k from the conservative party I refuse to believe that it's going to be soooooo much worse under a different colour partyCurrent attack ads don't do the Tory Party any favours at all IMO - super majority being bad for democracy is garbage - maybe they can get some s
t done. 1997 was the same situation and the same dire predictions - I voted Labour (only regret was the subsequent beach party in Iraq that was a bad idea - I've always been of an opinion some countries need a Dictator)
I'm looking forward to seeing the Tory party get eviscerated - they need some time (at least 10 years IMO) to think about what they represent and the future they can offer
paulrockliffe said:
It's a bit of a silly article though isn't it, because obviously the party could change the rules to accommodate these circumstances and there is also no rush to elect a new leader in the slightest, even if Rishi is keen to get to California sooner rather than later.
There may be something of a rush if, as some polls are predicting, Wishy Washy fails to retain his seat. That would be the ultimate Coup de grâce for the walking corpse that is the Nu-Con party. If they fall to low 50s seats, as some polls are predicting, it's hard to see how they survive as a meaningful political entity. The thought of a Starmer premiership horrifies me, but the notion that this failed experiment can continue is for the birds. The Tories need to be routed and spend a term or two in opposition to see if anything viable can be salvaged - otherwise burn it to the ground and start over with a centre-right mainstream party.SpidersWeb said:
scenario8 said:
It’s hard to know where to begin with these fortunes, really. I suppose the incumbent is being blamed with the never ending economic malaise since the GFC, the inevitable horseplop that would follow the global covid response and for having just hung around too long - and generally for being st and mismanaging public opinion so badly that they’re widely regarded as being so st. All so recently after winning the previous GE with a mandate to simply get on with delivering Brexit - for good or bad. Remarkable really.
Well really the fortunes for today's Conservative Party started back in 2015 when Cameron put the EU referendum in the manifesto to satisfy the Eurosceptics but thinking he would end up in coalition again and the LibDems would veto it.t and mismanaging public opinion so badly that they’re widely regarded as being so st. All so recently after winning the previous GE with a mandate to simply get on with delivering Brexit - for good or bad. Remarkable really.Then throughout 2016 after Cameron had accidentally won the election and had to have the referendum, the Conservative MPs argued with each other about Leave / Remain, before Cameron lost the vote he thought was certain and then flounced off leaving the party to be lead by a default choice of one, May - and what an inspiring Prime Minister she was...
And that lead to three years of parliament doing sweet FA, interspersed with May foolishly calling an election, losing the majority she had, and ending up being the DUP's b
h. Finally the Conservatives get fed up with that and decide their salvation would be Johnson, that same Johnson who campaigned for Leave but when the chance came to stand for leadership in 2016 bottled it.
As for the public wanting to 'get Brexit done' the public just wanted the damn thing out of the way and the vast vast majority frankly didn't give a damn how that was done.
Then of course remember that Sunak was not brought in as Johnson's chancellor because he was the right person for the job, having previously been a lowly junior housing minister, it was just that the existing chancellor, Javid, had got fed up with Johnson's Svengali, 'eyesight test' Cummings, and his demands to Javid to sack his aides and replace them with Cumming's selection. Sunak got the job not because he was the best person but because he was prepared to be obedient and do as he was told.
And then COVID, with Johnson being 'ambushed by cake' and Putin deciding to f
k over the economy of the west.Then what next, that's right, scandal after scandal after scandal in Johnson's government, before finally the liar and charlatan goes when the Conservative MPs have had enough and he can't find enough to form a cabinet.
So then decision time for the 170k elderly members of the party with large houses in Surrey to choose between 'hold my beer' Truss who was promising them the moon on a stick of tax cuts and an eyewateringly large energy support package or Sunak who was telling them the reality of the s
t state that the UK economy was in after COVID and Putin (any mention of the impact of Brexit of course being verboten).Well that choice went well for 44 days, with Truss ending up hiding under a desk.
And finally Sunak, who lets not forget was only a junior housing minister before he got his rapid promotion, tries to pick up the pieces, whilst dealing with a party that is now mainly full of right wing nutters after Johnson had expelled most of those to the centre and left during the Brexit shambles.
Is it any wonder that an awful lot of the public have fallen out of love with that lot?
Rusty Old-Banger said:
Getting quite excited about tomorrow now.
So am I! It will be the first time I have watched the MSM news for a long long time, I switched off the BBC and all the others in late 2020, I couldn't listen to their one-sided covid propaganda any more. Presumably the BBC have got the Champagne in and ready. Are they going to be tripping over the empty bottles in the corridors on Friday morning, after the party, when their beloved socialists get in, just like they did when Blair was elected!GSE said:
Rusty Old-Banger said:
Getting quite excited about tomorrow now.
So am I! It will be the first time I have watched the MSM news for a long long time, I switched off the BBC and all the others in late 2020, I couldn't listen to their one-sided covid propaganda any more. Presumably the BBC have got the Champagne in and ready. Are they going to be tripping over the empty bottles in the corridors on Friday morning, after the party, when their beloved socialists get in, just like they did when Blair was elected!kathons on here (in equal measures). 
911Spanker said:
blueg33 said:
911Spanker said:
carlo996 said:
blueg33 said:
I wouldn’t vote conservative with their current collection of candidates most of whom have been part of the last 10 or more years of absolute chaos and vitriol. I don’t think Sunak is the problem, he is part of the problem.
You can flip a turd over but it is still a turd.
The same can be said of Labour. Sure Starmer has been sprayed with Mr Sheen, but the lefty loonies remain right under the thin veneer. You can flip a turd over but it is still a turd.
Not sure the UK is ready to vote for a PM from an ethnic background - another Tory candidate may have been better IMO.
I see Labour falling into the same trap as the Tories. Have one hardcore wing which brings the party down in the end.
I couldn't vote Labour for this reason but knowing the country is going down the toilet have made my own arrangements.
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