General Election July 2024

[glazbagun]

vaud said:

MC Bodge said:

48 hours and counting down.

Please don't let the Tories pull a surprise win out of the bag....

Personally as someone who has generally voted Tory (not that I 100% agree with them but they have been the closest alignment)...

...I don't want them to win but nor do I want them annihilated. A super majority isn't healthy - I think we need the ability for the combined power of the opposition + a few ruling party dissenters to be able to influence primary legislation.

Need some opposition to keep the ruling party challenged.

80-100 seats is a healthy majority. Labour with 400-500 seats in total is not good for balanced government...

I'd like Labour to have a big enough majority that they don't have to go begging to hard core lefties for votes. I want the Tories to get a total pasting like the Lib Dems did after their tuition fee U-turn (57 to 8! had forgotten what a disaster that was!). Ideally I'd have Farage mop up the nutter vote and the Braverman type jump ship, leaving the conservatives to rebuild a centre-right party with ideas on how to govern a country.

In reality I fear that the Tory party of Cameron/ Howard/ Hague is dead and they'll be left open to takeover by Farage or his ilk and become a party of populists like the US republicans have after the arrival of Trump.

[MC Bodge]

turbobloke said:

If they were American Dems 80+ they could be Potus.

Dementia is a terrible thing, isn't it Turbobloke?

[MC Bodge]

swisstoni said:

I haven’t looked it up but I expect the ‘super majority’ refers to where, even if all other party’s PMs voted against a motion, Labour would have enough of their own to push anything through.

We may end up being a bit more appreciative of the House of Lords than we have been recently

What you are describing is a just a plain old "majority"....

I suspect that many people do not really understand the system and Sunakis banking on that.

Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 2nd July 19:41

[isaldiri]

vaud said:

Personally as someone who has generally voted Tory (not that I 100% agree with them but they have been the closest alignment)...

...I don't want them to win but nor do I want them annihilated. A super majority isn't healthy - I think we need the ability for the combined power of the opposition + a few ruling party dissenters to be able to influence primary legislation.

Need some opposition to keep the ruling party challenged.

80-100 seats is a healthy majority. Labour with 400-500 seats in total is not good for balanced government...

I don't think it matters. Labour might as well fully own whatever happens next and they'll get similar levels of hubris whether their majority is 25/50/100/200. The Tories deserve to be cast into oblivion to reflect on exactly what they want to be - if they can't rally round something to be electable again they deserve to remain in limbo.

[p1stonhead]

You forget just how many fking awful things have happened recently.

[MC Bodge]

Under FPTP, we can only vote for our local MP. It is not proportional representation.

[S600BSB]

MC Bodge said:

Dementia is a terrible thing, isn't it Turbobloke?

That’s not very kind.

[MiniMan64]

vaud said:

MC Bodge said:

48 hours and counting down.

Please don't let the Tories pull a surprise win out of the bag....

Personally as someone who has generally voted Tory (not that I 100% agree with them but they have been the closest alignment)...

...I don't want them to win but nor do I want them annihilated. A super majority isn't healthy - I think we need the ability for the combined power of the opposition + a few ruling party dissenters to be able to influence primary legislation.

Need some opposition to keep the ruling party challenged.

80-100 seats is a healthy majority. Labour with 400-500 seats in total is not good for balanced government...

Well maybe the Conservatives should have thought of that before they went completely down the crazy hole.

[SpidersWeb]

glazbagun said:

Ideally I'd have Farage mop up the nutter vote and the Braverman type jump ship, leaving the conservatives to rebuild a centre-right party with ideas on how to govern a country.

In reality I fear that the Tory party of Cameron/ Howard/ Hague is dead and they'll be left open to takeover by Farage or his ilk and become a party of populists like the US republicans have after the arrival of Trump.

I think your fear has a strong possibility of coming true.

[pingu393]

I have so many hypothetical questions bouncing around my little brain...

Where will Jeremy Corbyn sit in Parliament?
Will the Tories be the official opposition?
Will they even come third, and at least get a couple of questions in PMQs?
What happens if war is declared against us after 6pm on a Friday?
Will I get 25% cash free on my pension at Christmas, or will Rachel have blocked it by then?
What will the upper limit be on my ISAs?
Will premium bond winnings remain tax free?
Will the VED on my Range Rover be more than £2 per day?
Will this thread be closed by the Mods on Friday morning?

[BikeBikeBIke]

pingu393 said:

I have so many hypothetical questions bouncing around my little brain...

Where will Jeremy Corbyn sit in Parliament?
Will the Tories be the official opposition?
Will they even come third, and at least get a couple of questions in PMQs?
What happens if war is declared against us after 6pm on a Friday?
Will I get 25% cash free on my pension at Christmas, or will Rachel have blocked it by then?
What will the upper limit be on my ISAs?
Will premium bond winnings remain tax free?
Will the VED on my Range Rover be more than £2 per day?
Will this thread be closed by the Mods on Friday morning?

Can't help with most of that but pretty sure there will be very little change and I can gaurentee the PM will not be clocking off at 6pm on Fridays. It's just not that sort of job.

[bodhi]

BikeBikeBIke said:

Can't help with most of that but pretty sure there will be very little change and I can gaurentee the PM will not be clocking off at 6pm on Fridays. It's just not that sort of job.

All sorts of rumours he enjoys a couple of beers and a curry at about 10pm as a work break, so I doubt the clocking off at 6 thing will be happening.

[Vanden Saab]

bodhi said:

BikeBikeBIke said:

Can't help with most of that but pretty sure there will be very little change and I can gaurentee the PM will not be clocking off at 6pm on Fridays. It's just not that sort of job.

All sorts of rumours he enjoys a couple of beers and a curry at about 10pm as a work break, so I doubt the clocking off at 6 thing will be happening.

Very good.

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p1stonhead said:

borcy said:

911Spanker said:

I would love a proper Conservative government but this lot are useless.

I can't and will never vote Labour.

So it means I will sit at home on Thursday. At least I save an hour of my life.

Your nearest polling station is an hour round trip?

He could be the Tories only target demographic these days in fairness.

I.e he might have a walking frame.

lol at people thinking the whole country has a polling station within a few yards of their homes.

[swisstoni]

bodhi said:

BikeBikeBIke said:

Can't help with most of that but pretty sure there will be very little change and I can gaurentee the PM will not be clocking off at 6pm on Fridays. It's just not that sort of job.

All sorts of rumours he enjoys a couple of beers and a curry at about 10pm as a work break, so I doubt the clocking off at 6 thing will be happening.

He’s a proper blokey bloke <snort>

[sim72]

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[JagLover]

My local polling station is about 25 mins each way on foot. Suburbs not countryside.

[pingu393]

BikeBikeBIke said:

Can't help with most of that but pretty sure there will be very little change and I can gaurentee the PM will not be clocking off at 6pm on Fridays. It's just not that sort of job.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/01/st...

The Torygraph thinks it may be an issue - but they would, wouldn't they?

BBC and The Guardian aren't reporting it, but they wouldn't, would they?

[swisstoni]

pingu393 said:

BikeBikeBIke said:

Can't help with most of that but pretty sure there will be very little change and I can gaurentee the PM will not be clocking off at 6pm on Fridays. It's just not that sort of job.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/01/st...

The Torygraph thinks it may be an issue - but they would, wouldn't they?

BBC and The Guardian aren't reporting it, but they wouldn't, would they?

This ‘story’ has wasted a lot of people’s time today.

[borcy]

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