General Election July 2024

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dbdb

4,369 posts

176 months

Tuesday 2nd July
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If you live in a semi-rural area or a rural place which is not remote you should prepare yourself to be shat upon by the incoming government.

dbdb

4,369 posts

176 months

Tuesday 2nd July
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blueg33 said:
He dealt with that too. It was all sensible stuff, you know like using land near transport hubs. There is way more land than people think, much greenbelt is aesthetically and agriculturally poor, underused land in urban areas owned by the state could be released if they got their act together, planning need total reform etc
The purpose of the greenbelt is not to be beautiful, it is to prevent towns from growing into each other to produce an LA-style urban sprawl across parts of the UK.

119

7,499 posts

39 months

Tuesday 2nd July
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Ed is keeping it entertaining, for want of a better word.

laugh


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp6871w1lzko

BikeBikeBIke

8,725 posts

118 months

Tuesday 2nd July
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119 said:
Ed is keeping it entertaining, for want of a better word.

laugh


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp6871w1lzko
He's getting on the news which is his job.

dbdb

4,369 posts

176 months

Tuesday 2nd July
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I suspect you are right and that he would struggle to be covered by the media if he did not do them.

turbobloke

104,961 posts

263 months

Tuesday 2nd July
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dbdb said:
I suspect you are right and that he would struggle to be covered by the media if he did not do them.
Definitely. More than one in three LibDem voters don't know who he is.(YouGov).

YouGov said:
Looking at the responses of those who intend to vote Liberal Democrat at the next election, the majority (59%) are able to identify Davey, and a further 5% are able to identify him as ‘the Lib Dem leader’. Nevertheless, this leaves 35% who are planning on backing the party without knowing who he is at all.
Farage pipped Starmer.
ETA link https://yougov.co.uk/poliics/articles/49836-one-in...

Edited by turbobloke on Tuesday 2nd July 11:27

loafer123

15,528 posts

218 months

Tuesday 2nd July
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dbdb said:
blueg33 said:
He dealt with that too. It was all sensible stuff, you know like using land near transport hubs. There is way more land than people think, much greenbelt is aesthetically and agriculturally poor, underused land in urban areas owned by the state could be released if they got their act together, planning need total reform etc
The purpose of the greenbelt is not to be beautiful, it is to prevent towns from growing into each other to produce an LA-style urban sprawl across parts of the UK.
Not sure that is completely true. For example, the green belt of London extends as far as Tunbridge Wells, limiting development there, despite it being miles and miles from London.

philv

4,043 posts

217 months

Tuesday 2nd July
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Who is going to build those houses?

The policies suggested by labour will have an affect on property values, which will surely suppress house building?

Similarly the policies with regards to the private rental sector will affect this, as well as causing the recent large sell off of rental properties (and the the subsequent damage to the private rental sector).

Im not sure that their policies are cohesive.
There's too much ideological crap in there.

Countdown

40,466 posts

199 months

Tuesday 2nd July
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A minor point - "the large sell-off by Landlords" won't reduce the supply of housing. In fact, it might help to improve affordability for 1st time buyers.

BikeBikeBIke

8,725 posts

118 months

Tuesday 2nd July
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Countdown said:
A minor point - "the large sell-off by Landlords" won't reduce the supply of housing. In fact, it might help to improve affordability for 1st time buyers.
Yup. Of course increased home ownership helps the Torys. Thatcher encouraged home ownership and created Tory voters by the million. Labour won't want to effectively gerrymander against themselves.

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Tuesday 2nd July 11:49

President Merkin

3,877 posts

22 months

Tuesday 2nd July
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Countdown said:
A minor point - "the large sell-off by Landlords" won't reduce the supply of housing. In fact, it might help to improve affordability for 1st time buyers.
All this loops back to the boomers. Old boys rattling around in easlly managed, paid off houses & generous pensions can't countenance more building they think will despoil the country & simultaneously can't work out why great swathes of the country, trapped in ever spiralling rents with practically no chance of ever cobbling together a deposit for their own place don't feel particularly well disposed towards a government who have at the very least exacerbated the situation.

Drawbridge pullers everywhere.


BikeBikeBIke

8,725 posts

118 months

Tuesday 2nd July
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President Merkin said:
All this loops back to the boomers. Old boys rattling around in easlly managed, paid off houses & generous pensions can't countenance more building they think will despoil the country & simultaneously can't work out why great swathes of the country, trapped in ever spiralling rents with practically no chance of ever cobbling together a deposit for their own place don't feel particularly well disposed towards a government who have at the very least exacerbated the situation.

Drawbridge pullers everywhere.
If boomers are the problem, nature is rapidly solving it, as we speak, without any action from the government.

119

7,499 posts

39 months

Tuesday 2nd July
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President Merkin said:
All this loops back to the boomers. Old boys rattling around in easlly managed, paid off houses & generous pensions can't countenance more building they think will despoil the country & simultaneously can't work out why great swathes of the country, trapped in ever spiralling rents with practically no chance of ever cobbling together a deposit for their own place don't feel particularly well disposed towards a government who have at the very least exacerbated the situation.

Drawbridge pullers everywhere.
That is some proper word salad.


Anyway, I don’t think it matters if people are renting or purchasing. The amount of housing available stays the same and I would think that currently monthly payments are high either way.



carlo996

6,574 posts

24 months

Tuesday 2nd July
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BikeBikeBIke said:
Puzzles said:
How’s hs2 going?
Well, there is way more land than people think, so I imagine it's finished by now.
Maybe in five years or so......what an utter disgrace that project was. Billions over budget, phase 2 canned, land buyback in chaos and doesn't connect with HS1. It's a total farce as well as impacting many homes and local roads...which were all knackered already.

A typical government project, only bettered by the NHS IT department biggrin

Solocle

3,425 posts

87 months

Tuesday 2nd July
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loafer123 said:
Not sure that is completely true. For example, the green belt of London extends as far as Tunbridge Wells, limiting development there, despite it being miles and miles from London.
The width of the London greenbelt is to try and minimise hop, where you end up with satellite development beyond the greenbelt.

It's debatable how successful that policy is, given the presence of substantial commuter towns like Reading.

captain_cynic

12,622 posts

98 months

Tuesday 2nd July
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Solocle said:
The width of the London greenbelt is to try and minimise hop, where you end up with satellite development beyond the greenbelt.

It's debatable how successful that policy is, given the presence of substantial commuter towns like Reading.
That gaping hellmouth that is Reading hehe

The problem is Reading is struggling to expand to with new houses being miles from the station and still stupidly overpriced.

You need to get further out for affordable housing. Just don't go too far south or you'll get the proximity to the coast driving up prices too.

Solocle

3,425 posts

87 months

Tuesday 2nd July
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captain_cynic said:
That gaping hellmouth that is Reading hehe

The problem is Reading is struggling to expand to with new houses being miles from the station and still stupidly overpriced.

You need to get further out for affordable housing. Just don't go too far south or you'll get the proximity to the coast driving up prices too.
Obviously they've done a bit of work on the rail system there recently hehe

blueg33

36,763 posts

227 months

Tuesday 2nd July
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philv said:
Who is going to build those houses?

The policies suggested by labour will have an affect on property values, which will surely suppress house building?

Similarly the policies with regards to the private rental sector will affect this, as well as causing the recent large sell off of rental properties (and the the subsequent damage to the private rental sector).

Im not sure that their policies are cohesive.


There's too much ideological crap in there.
Ill build them.

Puzzles

2,009 posts

114 months

Tuesday 2nd July
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blueg33 said:
Ill build them.
How many per year can you or the uk realistically build in the next 5 years?

Obv it takes time to scale up but is there going to be an issue getting the labour and skills to build 300k odd houses a year?

BikeBikeBIke

8,725 posts

118 months

Tuesday 2nd July
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carlo996 said:
A typical government project, only bettered by the NHS IT department biggrin
The difference is there is no fundamental reason why we can't have healthcare as good as anywhere in tbe world.

There are sound physical reasons why we can't run railways and roads anywhere we fancy.