General Election July 2024
Discussion
thetapeworm said:
Pie, Election Special Part 4: Conservatives
Yes. An absolute shower....Many people on here will ponder on that and then think,
"In this situation, what we really need is a party like that, but even moreso. Ah, Reform UK. That Farage seems like an upstanding, decent, man of the people"
Ridgemont said:
Rivenink said:
Ridgemont said:
Boringvolvodriver said:
Rivenink said:
Chicken Chaser said:
thetapeworm said:
Pie, Election Special Part 4: Conservatives
Top drawer commentary. A truly tragic state of affairs.If Labour can manage to be only half as s
t, it'll be an improvement. Labour will have their work cut out but to paraphrase D:ream “Things can’t get any worse”
Call Jonathan Pie on BBC sounds is also a good listen
As an accurate summary of history 1/10.
I like Pie. I think he is on a proper soap box shift there.
I could go through the list but frankly my life is too short and I would be wasting half an hour of my life to get a whole load of obvious rebuttals back.
Go for 10 if you can. Shouldn’t be a problem if it got 1/10 for accuracy.
blueg33 said:
Interesting programme on tv last night with Tim Harper looking at growth and how it has been delivered in the past.
In summary we need to spend on infrastructure at about 5x the amount we currently do. Short term tax increase or borrowing for long term growth.
Not sure either of the main parties has that policy.
Tim Harper is my choice for PM
Have we got anywhere we want to put that infrastructure? There's literally no empty land within tens of miles of me that people want developed. In summary we need to spend on infrastructure at about 5x the amount we currently do. Short term tax increase or borrowing for long term growth.
Not sure either of the main parties has that policy.
Tim Harper is my choice for PM
MC Bodge said:
Yes. An absolute shower.
...Many people on here will ponder on that and then think,
"In this situation, what we really need is a party like that, but even moreso. Ah, Reform UK.
No that is not what they are thinking. We are where we are because of the agenda that has been followed, which Labour both started and will be a continuation. ...Many people on here will ponder on that and then think,
"In this situation, what we really need is a party like that, but even moreso. Ah, Reform UK.
Moaning about high housing costs, high energy costs, high taxes and deteriorating public services while blindly supporting either Conservatives or Labour is very ironic. All are an inevitable consequence of the agenda which both parties serve.
JagLover said:
No that is not what they are thinking. We are where we are because of the agenda that has been followed, which Labour both started and will be a continuation.
Moaning about high housing costs, high energy costs, high taxes and deteriorating public services while blindly supporting either Conservatives or Labour is very ironic. All are an inevitable consequence of the agenda which both parties serve.
Yes, this was definitely my take from the Pie video; that it’s all Labour’s fault…Moaning about high housing costs, high energy costs, high taxes and deteriorating public services while blindly supporting either Conservatives or Labour is very ironic. All are an inevitable consequence of the agenda which both parties serve.
BikeBikeBIke said:
blueg33 said:
Interesting programme on tv last night with Tim Harper looking at growth and how it has been delivered in the past.
In summary we need to spend on infrastructure at about 5x the amount we currently do. Short term tax increase or borrowing for long term growth.
Not sure either of the main parties has that policy.
Tim Harper is my choice for PM
Have we got anywhere we want to put that infrastructure? There's literally no empty land within tens of miles of me that people want developed. In summary we need to spend on infrastructure at about 5x the amount we currently do. Short term tax increase or borrowing for long term growth.
Not sure either of the main parties has that policy.
Tim Harper is my choice for PM
robemcdonald said:
Ridgemont said:
Rivenink said:
Ridgemont said:
Boringvolvodriver said:
Rivenink said:
Chicken Chaser said:
thetapeworm said:
Pie, Election Special Part 4: Conservatives
Top drawer commentary. A truly tragic state of affairs.If Labour can manage to be only half as s
t, it'll be an improvement. Labour will have their work cut out but to paraphrase D:ream “Things can’t get any worse”
Call Jonathan Pie on BBC sounds is also a good listen
As an accurate summary of history 1/10.
I like Pie. I think he is on a proper soap box shift there.
I could go through the list but frankly my life is too short and I would be wasting half an hour of my life to get a whole load of obvious rebuttals back.
Go for 10 if you can. Shouldn’t be a problem if it got 1/10 for accuracy.
Shouldn’t be a problem?
blueg33 said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
blueg33 said:
Interesting programme on tv last night with Tim Harper looking at growth and how it has been delivered in the past.
In summary we need to spend on infrastructure at about 5x the amount we currently do. Short term tax increase or borrowing for long term growth.
Not sure either of the main parties has that policy.
Tim Harper is my choice for PM
Have we got anywhere we want to put that infrastructure? There's literally no empty land within tens of miles of me that people want developed. In summary we need to spend on infrastructure at about 5x the amount we currently do. Short term tax increase or borrowing for long term growth.
Not sure either of the main parties has that policy.
Tim Harper is my choice for PM
Infrastructure is a doddle if you live in a sparsely populated desert. It's not in the UK.
And green belt needs to be sacrosanct. Almost all load outside of towns and cities needs to be sacrosanct.
If there's more land than we think then draconian protection of land will be very easy indeed and we can start really protecting land for ourselves and our decendents. Everyone will be happy.
Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Tuesday 2nd July 08:32
MC Bodge said:
Yes. An absolute shower.
...Many people on here will ponder on that and then think,
"In this situation, what we really need is a party like that, but even moreso. Ah, Reform UK. That Farage seems like an upstanding, decent, man of the people"
The point is, they will hopefully drag the UK political climate back to a more sensible centrist house. The current Conservatives have slipped too far over to the left into la-la land. A country too left leaning is as bad as a country too right leaning...we need a reset and I hope Reform can make that happen....Many people on here will ponder on that and then think,
"In this situation, what we really need is a party like that, but even moreso. Ah, Reform UK. That Farage seems like an upstanding, decent, man of the people"
Otherwise...what possible solution to the obvious problem is there?
I'll obviously be voting Reform, not because I trust Farage...he's an obvious grifter. But because I want the Conservatives to be conservative again. If they get a good enough kicking, hopefully that will sort them out.
Timothy Bucktu said:
The point is, they will hopefully drag the UK political climate back to a more sensible centrist house. The current Conservatives have slipped too far over to the left into la-la land. A country too left leaning is as bad as a country too right leaning...we need a reset and I hope Reform can make that happen.
Otherwise...what possible solution to the obvious problem is there?
I'll obviously be voting Reform, not because I trust Farage...he's an obvious grifter. But because I want the Conservatives to be conservative again. If they get a good enough kicking, hopefully that will sort them out.
I think you're going to be pleasantly suprised at how right wing Labour are going to be. They can't borrow becaise were maxed out. Seems unlikely there's a load of untapped tax revenue that the Torys missed. So what's their only option? Cuts; Smaller government.Otherwise...what possible solution to the obvious problem is there?
I'll obviously be voting Reform, not because I trust Farage...he's an obvious grifter. But because I want the Conservatives to be conservative again. If they get a good enough kicking, hopefully that will sort them out.
https://youtu.be/qi4wLfsSScE?si=ktQqliCa88pCTGtD
Timothy Bucktu said:
The point is, they will hopefully drag the UK political climate back to a more sensible centrist house. The current Conservatives have slipped too far over to the left into la-la land.
I cannot fathom the reasoning that leads someone to this belief. Johnson purged the Tories of its moderates in 2019, replaced them with right wing mediocrities & embarked on a culture wars tour, sut down parliament illegaly, threatened repeatedly to do away with human rights protections, proposed leaving the ECHR, legislated repeatedly to suppress protest, gerrymandered voting & you're telling me with a straight face, these have been left wing? How tf have you worked that out?BikeBikeBIke said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
The point is, they will hopefully drag the UK political climate back to a more sensible centrist house. The current Conservatives have slipped too far over to the left into la-la land. A country too left leaning is as bad as a country too right leaning...we need a reset and I hope Reform can make that happen.
Otherwise...what possible solution to the obvious problem is there?
I'll obviously be voting Reform, not because I trust Farage...he's an obvious grifter. But because I want the Conservatives to be conservative again. If they get a good enough kicking, hopefully that will sort them out.
I think you're going to be pleasantly suprised at how right wing Labour are going to be. They can't borrow becaise were maxed out. Seems unlikely there's a load of untapped tax revenue that the Torys missed. So what's their only option? Cuts; Smaller government.Otherwise...what possible solution to the obvious problem is there?
I'll obviously be voting Reform, not because I trust Farage...he's an obvious grifter. But because I want the Conservatives to be conservative again. If they get a good enough kicking, hopefully that will sort them out.
https://youtu.be/qi4wLfsSScE?si=ktQqliCa88pCTGtD
In addition they say they are going to fund a lot from growth.
BikeBikeBIke said:
I think you're going to be pleasantly suprised at how right wing Labour are going to be. They can't borrow becaise were maxed out. Seems unlikely there's a load of untapped tax revenue that the Torys missed. So what's their only option? Cuts; Smaller government.
https://youtu.be/qi4wLfsSScE?si=ktQqliCa88pCTGtD
Yes and no.https://youtu.be/qi4wLfsSScE?si=ktQqliCa88pCTGtD
Yes because without touching headline rates of tax the scope is limited, but no because there are areas of tax Labour could hit which the Tories realistically couldn't.
They could fairly easily raise another £25bn a year or so from tax relief on pension contributions, fuel duty, and council tax alone for example, just to mention the areas most often discussed.
JagLover said:
Yes and no.
Yes because without touching headline rates of tax the scope is limited, but no because there are areas of tax Labour could hit which the Tories realistically couldn't.
They could fairly easily raise another £25bn a year or so from tax relief on pension contributions, fuel duty, and council tax alone for example, just to mention the areas most often discussed.
If that were politically feasable the Torys would have already done it.Yes because without touching headline rates of tax the scope is limited, but no because there are areas of tax Labour could hit which the Tories realistically couldn't.
They could fairly easily raise another £25bn a year or so from tax relief on pension contributions, fuel duty, and council tax alone for example, just to mention the areas most often discussed.
BikeBikeBIke said:
Puzzles said:
How’s hs2 going?
Well, there is way more land than people think, so I imagine it's finished by now.The EU average is around 95% undeveloped, including countries which are far less densely populated. On the face of it there's room for more development without infringing on e.g. green belt
There was a Radio 2 prog years ago discussing this which asked listeners for their opinion on what percentage of UK land was built on, of those broadcast one reply was in single figures, many 'answers' they read out came in between 60% and 80% totally unrealistic.
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