General Election July 2024
Discussion
hidetheelephants said:
I take it more as a feature of a deeply flawed system, but perhaps I'm wrong.
No, you're just happy to excuse starmer for it because he's on 'your' side when you'd be rather less happy to wave it away as 'a feature of a deeply flawed system' if it was a tory that had done similar things in the same position.....isaldiri said:
hidetheelephants said:
I take it more as a feature of a deeply flawed system, but perhaps I'm wrong.
No, you're just happy to excuse starmer for it because he's on 'your' side when you'd be rather less happy to wave it away as a feature of a deeply flawed system if it was a tory in the same position.....hidetheelephants said:
Care to highlight where I've demonstrated such gross hypocrisy? You won't be able to because I haven't.
You might be a bit more convincing about being even handed if you didn't immediately engage in some whataboutism earlier to excuse Starmer with tories that backed Johnson and Truss needing to resign as well or some 'fatuous argument'. Your posts don't exactly suggest that you would quite as happy to excuse a reborn one nation Tory (at some future possibly distant point) having constantly proclaimed to support Johnson and Truss as you have been for Starmer but if you truly believe so then good on you.
ChocolateFrog said:
Had a flyer from George Galloway's party.
Something, something, Palestine.
Someone must be chucking them some money if they're leafleting in a 1.7% Muslim area.
Iran and Russia.Something, something, Palestine.
Someone must be chucking them some money if they're leafleting in a 1.7% Muslim area.
Receipts
A party where antisemitism isn't a preclusion, it's almost a prerequisite, judging by the filth spewed by some candidates.
Edited by Solocle on Thursday 27th June 23:06
isaldiri said:
hidetheelephants said:
I take it more as a feature of a deeply flawed system, but perhaps I'm wrong.
No, you're just happy to excuse starmer for it because he's on 'your' side when you'd be rather less happy to wave it away as 'a feature of a deeply flawed system' if it was a tory that had done similar things in the same position.....That this is a serious attack line really does show how weak the Tory position is. There's really no barrel left to scrape at this point.
Solocle said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Had a flyer from George Galloway's party.
Something, something, Palestine.
Someone must be chucking them some money if they're leafleting in a 1.7% Muslim area.
Iran and Russia.Something, something, Palestine.
Someone must be chucking them some money if they're leafleting in a 1.7% Muslim area.
Receipts
A party where antisemitism isn't a preclusion, it's almost a prerequisite, judging by the filth spewed by some candidates.
Edited by Solocle on Thursday 27th June 23:06
We’ll see on the night.
isaldiri said:
You might be a bit more convincing about being even handed if you didn't immediately engage in some whataboutism earlier to excuse Starmer with tories that backed Johnson and Truss needing to resign as well or some 'fatuous argument'.
Your posts don't exactly suggest that you would quite as happy to excuse a reborn one nation Tory (at some future possibly distant point) having constantly proclaimed to support Johnson and Truss as you have been for Starmer but if you truly believe so then good on you.
Your posts don't exactly suggest that you would quite as happy to excuse a reborn one nation Tory (at some future possibly distant point) having constantly proclaimed to support Johnson and Truss as you have been for Starmer but if you truly believe so then good on you.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. I've voted tory in the past and in a hypothetical future I could readily vote for a tory party lead by a Davidson or some other similar figure.valiant said:
86 said:
Seems most will vote for an old white bloke with a knighthood
61 is old now?Tom8 said:
So many people (including me) consider not voting in our election due to the appalling choice on offer. The you see the US presidential debate and perhaps think we are in a good place....
I know, it is literally like watching the Muppet Show.One of the greatest democracies on the planet and it's like visiting an elderly, once very much respected relative, as they sit, not reckognising you, incoherently soiling themselves in a care home.
Digga said:
Tom8 said:
So many people (including me) consider not voting in our election due to the appalling choice on offer. The you see the US presidential debate and perhaps think we are in a good place....
I know, it is literally like watching the Muppet Show.One of the greatest democracies on the planet and it's like visiting an elderly, once very much respected relative, as they sit, not reckognising you, incoherently soiling themselves in a care home.
Lord Ashcroft polling has been in Moggland.
Focus Group member on Rees-Mogg said:
He’s got even more money than Rishi, probably, but he’s still got a heart. When we had the floods a few years back he came down to see people and said right, here’s my mobile, if anyone has any problems let me know and I’ll come down and help out. And he kept to his word.
Lord Ashcroft said:
However, nobody said this would be enough to sway their vote which would be dominated by the national picture.
https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2024/06/its-a-metaphor-for-the-whole-conservative-government-my-focus-groups-in-newquay-plymouth-and-ne-somerset/ChocolateFrog said:
valiant said:
86 said:
Seems most will vote for an old white bloke with a knighthood
61 is old now?
It's 66 for both men and women now.So, technically at 61 you do have at least 1 term in parliament before you receive you state pension.
Less than a week to go, two possibilities. Personal view based on current situation.
Major victory for Labour, utter disaster for Cons, at worst effectively an extinction event, if they ended up similar to 97 result would take that as a win. LibDems to do well maybe even form the official opposition, and they'll claim it's a resurgence but it's not, just that many lefties aren't convinced by Labour either. Reform nafc, if Farage wins Clacton he will then turn attacks on Labour
Or seeing as polls are as they are, possibly something that results in an unprecedented disaster for the polling industry who then may as well shut up shop.
My prediction, on balance a Labour win with a big majority but turning into a very unpopular government really rather quickly as they'll prove to be in power, unpopular, no ideas and not much of a mandate based on the % vote. Cue captain flip-flop being pulled every which way. BBC will rapidly become brutal.
YMMV which is completely fair and expected.
Major victory for Labour, utter disaster for Cons, at worst effectively an extinction event, if they ended up similar to 97 result would take that as a win. LibDems to do well maybe even form the official opposition, and they'll claim it's a resurgence but it's not, just that many lefties aren't convinced by Labour either. Reform nafc, if Farage wins Clacton he will then turn attacks on Labour
Or seeing as polls are as they are, possibly something that results in an unprecedented disaster for the polling industry who then may as well shut up shop.
My prediction, on balance a Labour win with a big majority but turning into a very unpopular government really rather quickly as they'll prove to be in power, unpopular, no ideas and not much of a mandate based on the % vote. Cue captain flip-flop being pulled every which way. BBC will rapidly become brutal.
YMMV which is completely fair and expected.
IMHO Cons will be eviscerated.
Of the various people who I know will talk openly and honestly about politics and who have, at the very least considered, or possibly voted Tory in the past, I know none who will this time. Of those who have, at the very least considered, or possibly voted Labour in the past, I think most will again. Of those who have, at the very least considered, or possibly voted UKIP in the past, none will vote Tory and most will vote Reform.
Of the various people who I know will talk openly and honestly about politics and who have, at the very least considered, or possibly voted Tory in the past, I know none who will this time. Of those who have, at the very least considered, or possibly voted Labour in the past, I think most will again. Of those who have, at the very least considered, or possibly voted UKIP in the past, none will vote Tory and most will vote Reform.
FiF said:
Less than a week to go, two possibilities. Personal view based on current situation.
Major victory for Labour, utter disaster for Cons, at worst effectively an extinction event, if they ended up similar to 97 result would take that as a win. LibDems to do well maybe even form the official opposition, and they'll claim it's a resurgence but it's not, just that many lefties aren't convinced by Labour either. Reform nafc, if Farage wins Clacton he will then turn attacks on Labour
Or seeing as polls are as they are, possibly something that results in an unprecedented disaster for the polling industry who then may as well shut up shop.
My prediction, on balance a Labour win with a big majority but turning into a very unpopular government really rather quickly as they'll prove to be in power, unpopular, no ideas and not much of a mandate based on the % vote. Cue captain flip-flop being pulled every which way. BBC will rapidly become brutal.
YMMV which is completely fair and expected.
Major victory for Labour, utter disaster for Cons, at worst effectively an extinction event, if they ended up similar to 97 result would take that as a win. LibDems to do well maybe even form the official opposition, and they'll claim it's a resurgence but it's not, just that many lefties aren't convinced by Labour either. Reform nafc, if Farage wins Clacton he will then turn attacks on Labour
Or seeing as polls are as they are, possibly something that results in an unprecedented disaster for the polling industry who then may as well shut up shop.
My prediction, on balance a Labour win with a big majority but turning into a very unpopular government really rather quickly as they'll prove to be in power, unpopular, no ideas and not much of a mandate based on the % vote. Cue captain flip-flop being pulled every which way. BBC will rapidly become brutal.
YMMV which is completely fair and expected.
Also, that chimes with the contrast between Labour talking heads in interviews when compared to the latest Sunak-Starmer H2H. Sunak asked Starmer nine times on his (Stermer's) plan for 90,000 asylum seekers currently in limbo in the UK, but no clear answer was offered by the Labour leader. Yet his shapmates say that while it will take time to make changes 'we have a strong plan'. What is that plan Starmer keeps forgetting details from?
turbobloke said:
Also, that chimes with the contrast between Labour talking heads in interviews when compared to the latest Sunak-Starmer H2H. Sunak asked Starmer nine times on his (Stermer's) plan for 90,000 asylum seekers currently in limbo in the UK, but no clear answer was offered by the Labour leader. Yet his shapmates say that while it will take time to make changes 'we have a strong plan'. What is that plan Starmer keeps forgetting details from?
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