General Election July 2024

[MC Bodge]

ChocolateFrog said:

Had a flyer from George Galloway's party.

Something, something, Palestine.

Someone must be chucking them some money if they're leafleting in a 1.7% Muslim area.

I have seen and heard (albeit not that loudly compared with the equivalent in the 1980s ) a van with loudspeakers promoting a Workers' Party candidate. I can't imagine that they will pick up many votes where I saw it.

[bitchstewie]

Interesting little bit of compare and contrast between todays ads from the two main parties.

https://x.com/Conservatives/status/180629130606433...

https://x.com/UKLabour/status/1806310773813104736

[hidetheelephants]

isaldiri said:

hidetheelephants said:

isaldiri said:

His record as a centrist that includes being fully behind Corbin (twice) but of course excused because he thought Corbyn wouldn’t win so that’s fine…..?

The same purity test applied to the tory party, seeing as they all backed Johnson and Truss they must all be soiled and incapable of changing, so they should all resign? Fatuous in both instances.

Well if any tory was a cheerleader for Johnson and Truss especially at cabinet level then did an about turn to disown anything they said at the time and now claim they were a ‘centrist’, I’d consider them every bit as self serving and unprincipled as I do Starmer.

You think an inherent feature of UK party politics, that MPs are expected to support the party leader, means he's selfish and unprincipled? It's an opinion I suppose.

[isaldiri]

hidetheelephants said:

isaldiri said:

hidetheelephants said:

isaldiri said:

His record as a centrist that includes being fully behind Corbin (twice) but of course excused because he thought Corbyn wouldn’t win so that’s fine…..?

The same purity test applied to the tory party, seeing as they all backed Johnson and Truss they must all be soiled and incapable of changing, so they should all resign? Fatuous in both instances.

Well if any tory was a cheerleader for Johnson and Truss especially at cabinet level then did an about turn to disown anything they said at the time and now claim they were a ‘centrist’, I’d consider them every bit as self serving and unprincipled as I do Starmer.

You think an inherent feature of UK party politics, that MPs are expected to support the party leader, means he's selfish and unprincipled? It's an opinion I suppose.

Well actually I do - any mp who is prepared to say and do anything he thinks is necessary irrespective of what he believes in because it’s useful for him to climb the greasy slope to is certainly unprincipled.

Starmer did so plenty of times (agreeing to be part of Corbyn’s shadow cabinet then again pretending to be a lot more inside with the left leaning elements of the party when pitted against Long-Bailey). That is no different from the yammering fools on the tory benches queuing up to spew platitudes about Johnson and (initially at least) Truss having been supposed ‘one nation tories’.

[hidetheelephants]

I take it more as a feature of a deeply flawed system, but perhaps I'm wrong.

[NuckyThompson]

bhstewie said:

Interesting little bit of compare and contrast between todays ads from the two main parties.

https://x.com/Conservatives/status/180629130606433...

https://x.com/UKLabour/status/1806310773813104736

The Tory one is baffling, it’s like they’re actually championing labour.

There can’t be many people out there who actually want fire and rehire and zero hour contracts.

It’s like they’re trying to be st now

[mikey_b]

NuckyThompson said:

bhstewie said:

Interesting little bit of compare and contrast between todays ads from the two main parties.

https://x.com/Conservatives/status/180629130606433...

https://x.com/UKLabour/status/1806310773813104736

The Tory one is baffling, it’s like they’re actually championing labour.

There can’t be many people out there who actually want fire and rehire and zero hour contracts.

It’s like they’re trying to be st now

Maybe their social media ad manager is one of those who bet significant sums on their own party losing?

[carlo996]

NuckyThompson said:

bhstewie said:

Interesting little bit of compare and contrast between todays ads from the two main parties.

https://x.com/Conservatives/status/180629130606433...

https://x.com/UKLabour/status/1806310773813104736

The Tory one is baffling, it’s like they’re actually championing labour.

There can’t be many people out there who actually want fire and rehire and zero hour contracts.

It’s like they’re trying to be st now

They’re both very embarrassing quite frankly. Prolly a fresh out of college numpty blinded by the promise of a bright future…like many in this thread

[86]

philv said:

Face it, are the uk public really going to vote in a funny little rich Indian guy?
Were a naturally prejudiced society.

Seems most will vote for an old white bloke with a knighthood

[BigMon]

[turbobloke]

BigMon said:

[valiant]

86 said:

Seems most will vote for an old white bloke with a knighthood

61 is old now?

[S600BSB]

valiant said:

86 said:

Seems most will vote for an old white bloke with a knighthood

61 is old now?

Ancient tbf

[isaldiri]

hidetheelephants said:

I take it more as a feature of a deeply flawed system, but perhaps I'm wrong.

No, you're just happy to excuse starmer for it because he's on 'your' side when you'd be rather less happy to wave it away as 'a feature of a deeply flawed system' if it was a tory that had done similar things in the same position.....

[hidetheelephants]

isaldiri said:

hidetheelephants said:

I take it more as a feature of a deeply flawed system, but perhaps I'm wrong.

No, you're just happy to excuse starmer for it because he's on 'your' side when you'd be rather less happy to wave it away as a feature of a deeply flawed system if it was a tory in the same position.....

Care to highlight where I've demonstrated such gross hypocrisy? You won't be able to because I haven't.

[isaldiri]

hidetheelephants said:

Care to highlight where I've demonstrated such gross hypocrisy? You won't be able to because I haven't.

You might be a bit more convincing about being even handed if you didn't immediately engage in some whataboutism earlier to excuse Starmer with tories that backed Johnson and Truss needing to resign as well or some 'fatuous argument'.

Your posts don't exactly suggest that you would quite as happy to excuse a reborn one nation Tory (at some future possibly distant point) having constantly proclaimed to support Johnson and Truss as you have been for Starmer but if you truly believe so then good on you.

[Solocle]

ChocolateFrog said:

Had a flyer from George Galloway's party.

Something, something, Palestine.

Someone must be chucking them some money if they're leafleting in a 1.7% Muslim area.

Iran and Russia.

Receipts

A party where antisemitism isn't a preclusion, it's almost a prerequisite, judging by the filth spewed by some candidates.

Edited by Solocle on Thursday 27th June 23:06

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isaldiri said:

hidetheelephants said:

I take it more as a feature of a deeply flawed system, but perhaps I'm wrong.

No, you're just happy to excuse starmer for it because he's on 'your' side when you'd be rather less happy to wave it away as 'a feature of a deeply flawed system' if it was a tory that had done similar things in the same position.....

If it was a Tory who had supported someone manifestly unsuitable to be Prime Minister? It would be really tough to find an example of that, wouldn't it?

That this is a serious attack line really does show how weak the Tory position is. There's really no barrel left to scrape at this point.

[Ridgemont]

Solocle said:

ChocolateFrog said:

Had a flyer from George Galloway's party.

Something, something, Palestine.

Someone must be chucking them some money if they're leafleting in a 1.7% Muslim area.

Iran and Russia.

Receipts

A party where antisemitism isn't a preclusion, it's almost a prerequisite, judging by the filth spewed by some candidates.

Edited by Solocle on Thursday 27th June 23:06

The impact of the Muslim block vote (if it exists) in certain constituencies is going to be interesting. R North has majored on the possibility that the labour vote may well be hugely split by the ‘Palestinian effect’ with a lot of nominally labour gotcha constituencies being actually marginal.
We’ll see on the night.

[hidetheelephants]

isaldiri said:

You might be a bit more convincing about being even handed if you didn't immediately engage in some whataboutism earlier to excuse Starmer with tories that backed Johnson and Truss needing to resign as well or some 'fatuous argument'.

Your posts don't exactly suggest that you would quite as happy to excuse a reborn one nation Tory (at some future possibly distant point) having constantly proclaimed to support Johnson and Truss as you have been for Starmer but if you truly believe so then good on you.

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. I've voted tory in the past and in a hypothetical future I could readily vote for a tory party lead by a Davidson or some other similar figure.