General Election July 2024

[fourstardan]

Why is this just Labour and Tories.

Surely there should be the Greens, Reform and Lib Dems up here.

[Rivenink]

I've heard better debates in 6th form.

[Vanden Saab]

hidetheelephants said:

Sway said:

SpidersWeb said:

Sway said:

Removing age bands on NMW is utterly daft. It'll just mean that it's almost impossible to get a starter/uni job - and removal of ZHCs is ridiculous too.

For an awful lot of NMW jobs there is no excuse for employers to pay 18 to 20 year olds less than 21+ as there is damn all training or experience required for the job, and if it is down to poor performance of an 18 to 20 year old, well that's a management issue and the employer needs better trained managers.

As for Zero Hour Contracts, unfortunately there are just too many stty employers out there taking the piss with their staff.

There's plenty of reason - someone doing their first ever job might not need much training or experience in doing the specific tasks, but they definitely need a lot more hand holding in becoming a useful employee in a work environment.

ZHCs definitely serve a place, and often show higher overall satisfaction rates than 'regular' jobs. Even Labour/Starmer routinely use/used ZHCs. Why on earth would you ban them, instead of putting improved controls around how they're administered?

It's a good job they aren't proposing to ban them; the wording used is

evil socialists said:

Labour will end ‘one sided’ flexibility and ensure all jobs provide a baseline level of security and predictability, banning exploitative zero hours contracts and ensuring everyone has the right to have a contract that reflects the number of hours they regularly work, based on a 12-week reference period.

which is a bit woolly but not quite the apocalypse being talked about.

12 week reference period. Well that will fk up seasonal and seaside employment.

[Rivenink]

Why exactly should pensioners be exempted from tax? They didn't pay tax on the money that went into the pension?

[MiniMan64]

Why on Earth during these debates do the presenters not have a button to turn the speakers mics on and off?

The interruptions, mostly from Sunak, are deeply irritating

[Rivenink]

MiniMan64 said:

Why on Earth during these debates do the presenters not have a button to turn the speakers mics on and off?

The interruptions, mostly from Sunak, are deeply irritating

Very irritating. We need to hear what Starmer is saying; especially when he's dropping himself in it.

[thetapeworm]

If the threat of being murdered by the Greek coastguard isn't enough to discourage small boats why would Rwanda be?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0vv717yvpeo

He was pretty good in pressing Starmer on what he'd do and it's a really valud question, just saying he'd process them so they could do basic work to contribute to the economy / be less of a drain would have been something.

[Speed 3]

Anyone have "Surrender" on their bingo card ?

[wc98]

Vanden Saab said:

hidetheelephants said:

Sway said:

SpidersWeb said:

Sway said:

Removing age bands on NMW is utterly daft. It'll just mean that it's almost impossible to get a starter/uni job - and removal of ZHCs is ridiculous too.

For an awful lot of NMW jobs there is no excuse for employers to pay 18 to 20 year olds less than 21+ as there is damn all training or experience required for the job, and if it is down to poor performance of an 18 to 20 year old, well that's a management issue and the employer needs better trained managers.

As for Zero Hour Contracts, unfortunately there are just too many stty employers out there taking the piss with their staff.

There's plenty of reason - someone doing their first ever job might not need much training or experience in doing the specific tasks, but they definitely need a lot more hand holding in becoming a useful employee in a work environment.

ZHCs definitely serve a place, and often show higher overall satisfaction rates than 'regular' jobs. Even Labour/Starmer routinely use/used ZHCs. Why on earth would you ban them, instead of putting improved controls around how they're administered?

It's a good job they aren't proposing to ban them; the wording used is

evil socialists said:

Labour will end ‘one sided’ flexibility and ensure all jobs provide a baseline level of security and predictability, banning exploitative zero hours contracts and ensuring everyone has the right to have a contract that reflects the number of hours they regularly work, based on a 12-week reference period.

which is a bit woolly but not quite the apocalypse being talked about.

12 week reference period. Well that will fk up seasonal and seaside employment.

The trouble is there are too many taking the piss with them. I was speaking to someone just over a year ago that had been working for the same company through an agency on a zhc for the best part of twenty years. She had applied numerous times for full time positions within that company but had never been successful. In that time she had only not been required to work for one four month period.

That meant she had near on ten years with no pension contributions and a further ten years on the crappy pension the agency set up for them with minimum contributions on both sides. She has missed out on a pension worth more than double for someone doing the same job as she has for a long period of time along with a huge range of other benefits like share options. I wondered why she hadn't been taken on full time but it wasn't anything to do with her attendance or standard of work, she actually trains people for the company. The only reason appears to be because they could get away with it. Yes i know she has accepted it and no one forced her to accept these t and c's but it doesn't sit right with me to the point i advised her to speak to an employment lawyer regarding her status given the length of employment in the same place over such a long period of time.

[hidetheelephants]

Mortarboard said:

turbobloke said:

Did the UK not top EU and USA for cumulative real GDP Growth in 2022 and 2023 (% change)? Can't find the actual cumulative real GDP numbers atm.

Bigger drops mean bigger %age gains.

Like trimming yer pubes....


M.

First time I've encountered the "last chicken in the shop" argument for brexit.

[swisstoni]

The unions will probably have a few words after the GE. Zero Hours doesn’t sound like what they want to see at all.

[wc98]

swisstoni said:

The unions will probably have a few words after the GE. Zero Hours doesn’t sound like what they want to see at all.

Yep, i've heard mention of £15ph minimum wage as well though given the amount of private/big business donors they have now i can't see that flying although wouldn't have a problem with it. There is definitely a place for carefully regulated zhc but there is definitely a scummy element that need those regulations enforced.

[swisstoni]

wc98 said:

swisstoni said:

The unions will probably have a few words after the GE. Zero Hours doesn’t sound like what they want to see at all.

Yep, i've heard mention of £15ph minimum wage as well though given the amount of private/big business donors they have now i can't see that flying although wouldn't have a problem with it. There is definitely a place for carefully regulated zhc but there is definitely a scummy element that need those regulations enforced.

I think the unions would claim a leeetle bit more history of support of the Labour Party than to be fobbed off with any talk of losing big business support.
And I don’t blame them. These horrible little jobs that nobody can properly live on are not very dignified imho.

[86]

Starmer offered nothing tonight in terms of answers. Sunak won shows how bad Starmer preformed. Every question he tried to deflect without giving a straight answer.

Give it 6 months and the country will want him out

[Evanivitch]

Sunak did a great job of being a liar time and again.

[mikef]

86 said:

.Sunak won shows how bad Starmer preformed

Ah, so you are one of the 36% - https://news.sky.com/story/keir-starmer-performed-...

Edited by mikef on Wednesday 26th June 21:49

[Diderot]

Didn’t watch it, I was doing something massively more important - cooking Sea Bass in a tarragon cream sauce. Did any one mention the 100s of billions of £ Labour now admit they will need to spend on Net Zero?

[ChocolateFrog]

swisstoni said:

wc98 said:

swisstoni said:

The unions will probably have a few words after the GE. Zero Hours doesn’t sound like what they want to see at all.

Yep, i've heard mention of £15ph minimum wage as well though given the amount of private/big business donors they have now i can't see that flying although wouldn't have a problem with it. There is definitely a place for carefully regulated zhc but there is definitely a scummy element that need those regulations enforced.

I think the unions would claim a leeetle bit more history of support of the Labour Party than to be fobbed off with any talk of losing big business support.
And I don’t blame them. These horrible little jobs that nobody can properly live on are not very dignified imho.

Awful. The fact they haven't given up and just accepted state benefits which if they said the right things would amount to just as much is commendable.

Blatant exploitation.

[ChocolateFrog]

Sunak's aide who couldn't help himself down at the bookies couldn't look more upper class inbred if he started dribbling.

[Mr Penguin]

Diderot said:

Didn’t watch it, I was doing something massively more important - cooking Sea Bass in a tarragon cream sauce. Did any one mention the 100s of billions of £ Labour now admit they will need to spend on Net Zero?

Sounds good - what was the recipe?