CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)

[andyA700]

pavarotti1980 said:

r3g said:

"Vital to know", "needs investigating". It's cute how after 4.5 years you suddenly decide to take an interest and now it's all really important it must be investigated. No, you're just st-stirring as usual. Off you go back to the comfort and safety of your other thread when you'll be reassured that it's all just CT nonsense and Big Pharma will look after you, just trust the science and experts.

So it's bullst then :rofl

Thought so

andyA700 said:

I have posted this before on this thread and people like you have dismissed it. It is stage four of the Covid vaccine injury enquiry, held on 22nd May 2024, with witnesses, solicitors, barristers and KC's present. The below from page 71.

"The delay in the Inquiry recording a clear factual
narrative also undermines its ability to make meaningful
recommendations for change, which we know are important
to you, my Lady. We have impressed on you before the
sheer number of people in the UK likely to have been
injured by the Covid-19 vaccines. As of 10 May 2024 we
understand the Yellow Card system to have received 2,688
reports of fatalities and 486,250 individual reports,
over 300,000 of which were reported as serious"

https://covid19.public-inquiry.uk/wp-content/uploa...

And i said before do we know that the Yellow Card figures are accurate because you can make up any old ste on them if you really wanted to. As I have said before, I know someone who submitted 3 despite never having any vaccine

Edited by pavarotti1980 on Sunday 7th July 11:36

Yes, I have discussed your "story" with others in my situation and we have declared it b******t. When I and others submitted our symptoms and dates, we also submitted full details of the vaccine batch numbers.
I would also question the mental health issues of anyone who made false submissions such as that - why would they do it?

[Hants PHer]

pavarotti1980 said:

And i said before do we know that the Yellow Card figures are accurate because you can make up any old ste on them if you really wanted to. As I have said before, I know someone who submitted 3 despite never having any vaccine

Quite. The problem that some posters (the usual suspects) here have is lack of credible, verified data. That is why they resort to sweeping statements about vaccine injuries. When challenged on this r3g resorted to insults and told you to jog on, thereby confirming that you're correct in the first place.

That said, I think a proper investigation into the extent of Covid-19 vaccine damage should be conducted. I don't think the Covid-19 Inquiry intends to specifically address vaccine harms. It's important to quantify these things, because hysterical assertions such as we read on here will simply be batted away or ignored in the absence of actual facts. One for Wes Streeting's to do list, perhaps.

Edited by Hants PHer on Sunday 7th July 12:25

[r3g]

pavarotti1980 said:

r3g said:

"Vital to know", "needs investigating". It's cute how after 4.5 years you suddenly decide to take an interest and now it's all really important it must be investigated. No, you're just st-stirring as usual. Off you go back to the comfort and safety of your other thread when you'll be reassured that it's all just CT nonsense and Big Pharma will look after you, just trust the science and experts.

So it's bullst then :rofl

Thought so

As is always the case with your lot with your extremely dumbed down 2 IQ and blinkered view of the world where everything is "BS" or a conspiracy if your beloved government PR outlets such as the BBC don't tell you what to think and believe, all these people who have died "suddenly" since 2021, many of which happened within a short period after receiving their shots, and all those now suffering probable life-long disabilities are just making it up and it's all in their heads. Just ignore them and cast them aside as dismiss them as unfortunate collateral damage from the safe and effective vaccines as per the government PR outlets. Send them on their way with a never-ending prescription of anti-depressant drugs to get them addicted to and then forget about them as they all have mental health issues and are imagining it all.

[Boringvolvodriver]

Hants PHer said:

Quite. The problem that some posters (the usual suspects) here have is lack of credible, verified data. That is why they resort to sweeping statements about vaccine injuries. When challenged on this r3g resorted to insults and told you to jog on, thereby confirming that you're correct in the first place.

That said, I think a proper investigation into the extent of Covid-19 vaccine damage should be conducted. I don't think the Covid-19 Inquiry intends to specifically address vaccine harms. It's important to quantify these things, because hysterical assertions such as we read on here will simply be batted away or ignored in the absence of actual facts. One for Wes Streeting's to do list, perhaps.

Edited by Hants PHer on Sunday 7th July 12:25

I agree that an investigation should take place and the fact that the covid inquiry doesn’t appear to want to investigate this will raise questions for those of a suspicious or questioning mindset.

I and others have said a few times, that it should be easy to publish data, that is apparently available and has been given to the manufacturers, that would prove that there are no issues with safety. That they don’t and as was said in Parliament that the reason is down to commercial sensitivity, makes me just a tad more cynical.

[Boringvolvodriver]

I saw this article today

https://brownstone.org/articles/it-was-biodefense-...

I have always been interested in trying to understand why the change in policy occurred and how we ended up with the lockdowns that we did - this gives a bit more detail as to what May have played a part

[pavarotti1980]

andyA700 said:

Yes, I have discussed your "story" with others in my situation and we have declared it b******t. When I and others submitted our symptoms and dates, we also submitted full details of the vaccine batch numbers.
I would also question the mental health issues of anyone who made false submissions such as that - why would they do it?

Because they are anti establishment, anti authority etc etc etc

[PurplePenguin]

pavarotti1980 said:

andyA700 said:

Yes, I have discussed your "story" with others in my situation and we have declared it b******t. When I and others submitted our symptoms and dates, we also submitted full details of the vaccine batch numbers.
I would also question the mental health issues of anyone who made false submissions such as that - why would they do it?

Because they are anti establishment, anti authority etc etc etc

Presumably there is some form of “vetting” of the yellow card reporting system? Otherwise all the false submissions would make it unworkable

[Rollin]

PurplePenguin said:

pavarotti1980 said:

andyA700 said:

Yes, I have discussed your "story" with others in my situation and we have declared it b******t. When I and others submitted our symptoms and dates, we also submitted full details of the vaccine batch numbers.
I would also question the mental health issues of anyone who made false submissions such as that - why would they do it?

Because they are anti establishment, anti authority etc etc etc

Presumably there is some form of “vetting” of the yellow card reporting system? Otherwise all the false submissions would make it unworkable

The penny finally drops.

[pavarotti1980]

PurplePenguin said:

Presumably there is some form of “vetting” of the yellow card reporting system? Otherwise all the false submissions would make it unworkable

How do you suggest it is vetted? There is not enough personal information on the submissions to do so, especially since you can stick any details in

Are you saying YC data is unworkable now then?

[PurplePenguin]

pavarotti1980 said:

PurplePenguin said:

Presumably there is some form of “vetting” of the yellow card reporting system? Otherwise all the false submissions would make it unworkable

How do you suggest it is vetted? There is not enough personal information on the submissions to do so, especially since you can stick any details in

Are you saying YC data is unworkable now then?

I was asking IF the yellow card system is vetted or taken at face value?

Presumably it’s not “unworkable” as it continues to be used. Are you saying YC data is of limited use because of a high % of “false” data inputted by “anti-vaxxers”?

[r3g]

PurplePenguin said:

I was asking IF the yellow card system is vetted or taken at face value?

Presumably it’s not “unworkable” as it continues to be used. Are you saying YC data is of limited use because of a high % of “false” data inputted by “anti-vaxxers”?

It's just an easy attack angle for those hard-of-thinking types as their programming throws up a syntax error when faced with the uncomfortable truth that everything the BBC and government has told them has been lies. "VAERS and YC system are all BS as every report has been put there by anti-vaxxers".
It's the same kind of attacks you see on people like JC who must be on the grift because he is only allowed the authority to speak if he is a "real" doctor and been given a greenlight by the BBC/government. When you ask how he's on the grift when he has no ads, his channel isn't monetised and he isn't flogging anything you are just met with radio silence and they scuttle off back to other threads until the dust has settled and they think you've forgotten about it . It's all very predictable.

[pavarotti1980]

PurplePenguin said:

pavarotti1980 said:

PurplePenguin said:

Presumably there is some form of “vetting” of the yellow card reporting system? Otherwise all the false submissions would make it unworkable

How do you suggest it is vetted? There is not enough personal information on the submissions to do so, especially since you can stick any details in

Are you saying YC data is unworkable now then?

I was asking IF the yellow card system is vetted or taken at face value?

Presumably it’s not “unworkable” as it continues to be used. Are you saying YC data is of limited use because of a high % of “false” data inputted by “anti-vaxxers”?

I would say that anybody hanging onto the data as gospel is misguided because it is not verifiable. Wothin it will be genuine reports but try unpicking it. Remember as well injection site pain is a reportable adverse event so take those out the numbers too.

[andyeds1234]

pavarotti1980 said:

andyA700 said:

Yes, I have discussed your "story" with others in my situation and we have declared it b******t. When I and others submitted our symptoms and dates, we also submitted full details of the vaccine batch numbers.
I would also question the mental health issues of anyone who made false submissions such as that - why would they do it?

Because they are anti establishment, anti authority etc etc etc

Yep, if there were no lockdowns, or vaccines were not produced, the same people would be outraged by the conspiracy of governments to let people die.
Whatever the consensus of the majority, take an opposing view.
Its what drives them.

[PurplePenguin]

pavarotti1980 said:

PurplePenguin said:

pavarotti1980 said:

PurplePenguin said:

Presumably there is some form of “vetting” of the yellow card reporting system? Otherwise all the false submissions would make it unworkable

How do you suggest it is vetted? There is not enough personal information on the submissions to do so, especially since you can stick any details in

Are you saying YC data is unworkable now then?

I was asking IF the yellow card system is vetted or taken at face value?

Presumably it’s not “unworkable” as it continues to be used. Are you saying YC data is of limited use because of a high % of “false” data inputted by “anti-vaxxers”?

I would say that anybody hanging onto the data as gospel is misguided because it is not verifiable. Wothin it will be genuine reports but try unpicking it. Remember as well injection site pain is a reportable adverse event so take those out the numbers too.

Presumably the medical profession does take notice of yellow card data - at least at a trend level.
Is the data gone through and things like injection sight pain accounted for as insignificant?

[rider73]

I would imagine a key word search algorithm and then a percentage of that randomly picked to validate manually, and after that trends are published.

You have to also wonder how much is not put into the UC system because your GP has written you off as anxiety, me CFS long COVID or rare for your age type disease and therefore many don't even consider it let alone know about the yc.

[pavarotti1980]

PurplePenguin said:

Presumably the medical profession does take notice of yellow card data - at least at a trend level.
Is the data gone through and things like injection sight pain accounted for as insignificant?

Ask the MHRA

r3g said:

As is always the case with your lot with your extremely dumbed down 2 IQ and blinkered view of the world where everything is "BS" or a conspiracy if your beloved government PR outlets such as the BBC don't tell you what to think and believe, all these people who have died "suddenly" since 2021, many of which happened within a short period after receiving their shots, and all those now suffering probable life-long disabilities are just making it up and it's all in their heads. Just ignore them and cast them aside as dismiss them as unfortunate collateral damage from the safe and effective vaccines as per the government PR outlets. Send them on their way with a never-ending prescription of anti-depressant drugs to get them addicted to and then forget about them as they all have mental health issues and are imagining it all.

All you have to do is back up your claims with some form of information yet you only feel able to post another load of unconnected bks.

Big pharma also isn't a problem when you need it though is it....

Edited by pavarotti1980 on Sunday 7th July 22:23

Edited by pavarotti1980 on Monday 8th July 06:42

[PurplePenguin]

pavarotti1980 said:

PurplePenguin said:

Presumably the medical profession does take notice of yellow card data - at least at a trend level.
Is the data gone through and things like injection sight pain accounted for as insignificant?

Ask the MHRA


[quote=r3g
As is always the case with your lot with your extremely dumbed down 2 IQ and blinkered view of the world where everything is "BS" or a conspiracy if your beloved government PR outlets such as the BBC don't tell you what to think and believe, all these people who have died "suddenly" since 2021, many of which happened within a short period after receiving their shots, and all those now suffering probable life-long disabilities are just making it up and it's all in their heads. Just ignore them and cast them aside as dismiss them as unfortunate collateral damage from the safe and effective vaccines as per the government PR outlets. Send them on their way with a never-ending prescription of anti-depressant drugs to get them addicted to and then forget about them as they all have mental health issues and are imagining it all.

All you have to do is back up your claims with some form of information yet you only feel able to post another load of unconnected bks.

Big pharma also isn't a problem when you need it though is it....

Edited by pavarotti1980 on Sunday 7th July 22:23

Indeed, only a problem when you don’t need it but are led to believe you can’t live without it

[andyA700]

pavarotti1980 said:

andyA700 said:

Yes, I have discussed your "story" with others in my situation and we have declared it b******t. When I and others submitted our symptoms and dates, we also submitted full details of the vaccine batch numbers.
I would also question the mental health issues of anyone who made false submissions such as that - why would they do it?

Because they are anti establishment, anti authority etc etc etc

Post his/her name on here and I will report them to the police, because I think that he is a despicable person given the level of suffering which I and many others are going through.

[andyA700]

PurplePenguin said:

pavarotti1980 said:

andyA700 said:

Yes, I have discussed your "story" with others in my situation and we have declared it b******t. When I and others submitted our symptoms and dates, we also submitted full details of the vaccine batch numbers.
I would also question the mental health issues of anyone who made false submissions such as that - why would they do it?

Because they are anti establishment, anti authority etc etc etc

Presumably there is some form of “vetting” of the yellow card reporting system? Otherwise all the false submissions would make it unworkable

Yes, I and all the others (thousands) had to put the make, batch numbers and dates of our vaccines on the submission. We also had to put details of our injuries/symptoms and the treatments/referrals which we had.

[andyA700]

rider73 said:

I would imagine a key word search algorithm and then a percentage of that randomly picked to validate manually, and after that trends are published.

You have to also wonder how much is not put into the UC system because your GP has written you off as anxiety, me CFS long COVID or rare for your age type disease and therefore many don't even consider it let alone know about the yc.

That is exactly what is happening with many people I am in contact with, since February of this year. They are being dismissed as having psychosomatic injuries - you know, it is all in your mind. How the F can blood clots, heart attacks, strokes, constant joint pain, balance and cognitive issues be all in the mind.
On 2nd July, I was due to have a telephone appointment with my GP in the afternoon - it didn't happen. )n 3rd July, my wife phoned the surgery at 08:00 and they told her that the GP would phone me that morning, but didn't apologise for the missed appointment. I received a text message at 12:30 saying that the GP would call me at 17:00 - he didn't and I haven't heard anything since.
As far as I am concerned, the NHS is an absolute disgrace and they are corrupt.
The GP surgeries were given lots of money to dispense these vaccines, they were a cash cow, like no other. They didn't care if their patients died or were being crippled by the jab. I daresay the lead GP at our surgery is very happy with his brand new AMG Mercedes.

https://www.nhsbsa.nhs.uk/pharmacies-gp-practices-...