General Election July 2024
Discussion
mikef said:
pingu393 said:
Here endeth the discussion,
All of them, and probably moreare screwed have screwed themselves.
The prof also said that it’s legit to hedge by betting against yourself winning. It’s only taking steps to then lose which is makes it illegal, which most sports are in a position to check for, but politics don’t have the regulatory bodies that pro sports doAll of them, and probably more
isaldiri said:
Well, to be fair, it is almost certainly true for the Tories to be saying however much they had raised the tax burden over the years where they were in power, it would be higher yet under Labour.....
I doubt that.Tories have pissed some spectacular money up the wall for little or no benefit to the taxpayer.
redrabbit29 said:
I'm getting seriously sick of these kind of posts (by both sides, but more Conservatives). The back-and-forth between them is pathetic.
Conversatives post something utterly ridiculous (like below), and Labour quote it or respond. It cheapens the whole thing, it muddies the water, and honestly it reminds me of Brexit where it's just tit-for-tat, nonsense with nothing tangible or clear being said.
The last 8 of Conversatives tweets have mentioned Labour's policies before their own. For example "Labour want to do this..."
I hate the lot of them.
It's why I'm spoiling my ballot.Conversatives post something utterly ridiculous (like below), and Labour quote it or respond. It cheapens the whole thing, it muddies the water, and honestly it reminds me of Brexit where it's just tit-for-tat, nonsense with nothing tangible or clear being said.
The last 8 of Conversatives tweets have mentioned Labour's policies before their own. For example "Labour want to do this..."
I hate the lot of them.
I'm not interested in voting against, only for. So put your policies and plans out there, and if I like it I'll vote for it.
Unfortunately, none of them have anything I can be positive about.
Rufus Stone said:
isaldiri said:
Well, to be fair, it is almost certainly true for the Tories to be saying however much they had raised the tax burden over the years where they were in power, it would be higher yet under Labour.....
I doubt that.Tories have pissed some spectacular money up the wall for little or no benefit to the taxpayer.
isaldiri said:
Ok, the acid test would be - do you expect labour to be raising or dropping the overall tax burden once they get into power?
They may well do, but I would argue largely because of the Tory failed attempted NI bribe which has reduced the treasury income unnecessarily and inappropriately.Rufus Stone said:
And it's so hypocritical. They have presided over a steadily rising tax burden so that we are at the highest for 70 years, and even with their latest cuts and more promised the burden remains on an increasing trajectory.
I can only speak for myself, but I am pretty sure that I pay a lot less in tax now than I would be paying if nothing had changed since 2010.Most of my tax reduction is due to the increase in the basic tax thresholds from £5720(NI) and £6475(Inc Tax) to £12570(both).
Tax and duty on spending are almost impossible to capture.
Anyone with any basic economic understanding knows the UK economy is screwed and even if we took some very significant decisions (Trident/Triple Lock/Raising pension age again) taxes are only heading one way under any flavour of government. They only way not to is increasing overall tax take through GDP growth. That's not happening quickly whoever's in power. At least Labour are having more meaningful discussion with business about blockers to growth (Planning Restrictions / Labour market etc) than the others. Whether they can actually deliver any of it remains to be seen but I don't think anyone posting here is under any illusion that we can have a low tax near-term future if we want any semblance of public services or national infrastructure.
pingu393 said:
I can only speak for myself, but I am pretty sure that I pay a lot less in tax now than I would be paying if nothing had changed since 2010.
Most of my tax reduction is due to the increase in the basic tax thresholds from £5720(NI) and £6475(Inc Tax) to £12570(both).
Tax and duty on spending are almost impossible to capture.
That's what they want you to think. Most of my tax reduction is due to the increase in the basic tax thresholds from £5720(NI) and £6475(Inc Tax) to £12570(both).
Tax and duty on spending are almost impossible to capture.
Speed 3 said:
Anyone with any basic economic understanding knows the UK economy is screwed and even if we took some very significant decisions (Trident/Triple Lock/Raising pension age again) taxes are only heading one way under any flavour of government. They only way not to is increasing overall tax take through GDP growth. That's not happening quickly whoever's in power. At least Labour are having more meaningful discussion with business about blockers to growth (Planning Restrictions / Labour market etc) than the others. Whether they can actually deliver any of it remains to be seen but I don't think anyone posting here is under any illusion that we can have a low tax near-term future if we want any semblance of public services or national infrastructure.
One easy thing could raise GDP by an estimated 4% annually, instantly. Rejoin the EU's SM and CU. LibDems and Greens propose to do this, I expect SNP and Plaid would too.CivicDuties said:
Speed 3 said:
Anyone with any basic economic understanding knows the UK economy is screwed and even if we took some very significant decisions (Trident/Triple Lock/Raising pension age again) taxes are only heading one way under any flavour of government. They only way not to is increasing overall tax take through GDP growth. That's not happening quickly whoever's in power. At least Labour are having more meaningful discussion with business about blockers to growth (Planning Restrictions / Labour market etc) than the others. Whether they can actually deliver any of it remains to be seen but I don't think anyone posting here is under any illusion that we can have a low tax near-term future if we want any semblance of public services or national infrastructure.
One easy thing could raise GDP by an estimated 4% annually, instantly. Rejoin the EU's SM and CU. LibDems and Greens propose to do this, I expect SNP and Plaid would too.Rufus Stone said:
pingu393 said:
I can only speak for myself, but I am pretty sure that I pay a lot less in tax now than I would be paying if nothing had changed since 2010.
Most of my tax reduction is due to the increase in the basic tax thresholds from £5720(NI) and £6475(Inc Tax) to £12570(both).
Tax and duty on spending are almost impossible to capture.
That's what they want you to think. Most of my tax reduction is due to the increase in the basic tax thresholds from £5720(NI) and £6475(Inc Tax) to £12570(both).
Tax and duty on spending are almost impossible to capture.
Mortarboard said:
i4got said:
You're not taking the 4% projected long term hit and assuming it's an annual figure are you?
It was hit long ago, and still ongoing. It wasn't a once-off.Brexit thread ----->
M.
And it's not about Brexit. That's over, it happened. It's about what we can do to improve GDP, that's the point I was responding to. An easy way to do that is to join the SM and CU, and I intend to vote for a party which has that in its Manifesto.
Edited by CivicDuties on Wednesday 26th June 16:49
CivicDuties said:
It's pretty relevant to the General Election, I'd say. Or, at least, it should be, but Labour and Tory want to ignore it.
And it's not about Brexit. That's over, it happened. It's about what we can do to improve GDP, that's the point I was responding to. An easy way to do that is to join the SM and CU, and I intend to vote for a party which has that in its Manifesto.
It’s really helping the performance of those leading EU economies. /sAnd it's not about Brexit. That's over, it happened. It's about what we can do to improve GDP, that's the point I was responding to. An easy way to do that is to join the SM and CU, and I intend to vote for a party which has that in its Manifesto.
Edited by CivicDuties on Wednesday 26th June 16:49
loafer123 said:
CivicDuties said:
It's pretty relevant to the General Election, I'd say. Or, at least, it should be, but Labour and Tory want to ignore it.
And it's not about Brexit. That's over, it happened. It's about what we can do to improve GDP, that's the point I was responding to. An easy way to do that is to join the SM and CU, and I intend to vote for a party which has that in its Manifesto.
It’s really helping the performance of those leading EU economies. /sAnd it's not about Brexit. That's over, it happened. It's about what we can do to improve GDP, that's the point I was responding to. An easy way to do that is to join the SM and CU, and I intend to vote for a party which has that in its Manifesto.
Edited by CivicDuties on Wednesday 26th June 16:49
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