General Election July 2024

[turbobloke]

Northern Ireland Secretary, Chris Heaton-Harris, is quoted claiming Labour is trying to “lean on” the Gambling Commission after Pat McFadden, (running the official Opposition campaign) wrote to the watchdog pressing it to release the names of figures under investigation.

Heaton Harris speaking on Times Radio said:

I think that is actually pretty concerning in itself, Labour trying to lean on yet another independent body like it leant on the Speaker of the House of Commons to not have a vote on Gaza. I think you are beginning to see, people are beginning to see, what a Labour government would actually be like.

[xeny]

B'stard Child said:

I’ve never not voted in any general election so not voting isn’t an option.

I really don't see how this follows.

[Speed 3]

MC Bodge said:

RemarkLima said:

Only had the incumbent Mark Francois leaflet through the door, boasting about how he achieved everything in the whole area - which is unlikely, as I doubt he could arrange a proverbial in a drinking establishment.

Lucky man for having a Spartan military hero representing you

Remarkable, I thought he'd scooted off to Reform by now.

[valiant]

turbobloke said:

Northern Ireland Secretary, Chris Heaton-Harris, is quoted claiming Labour is trying to “lean on” the Gambling Commission after Pat McFadden, (running the official Opposition campaign) wrote to the watchdog pressing it to release the names of figures under investigation.

Heaton Harris speaking on Times Radio said:

I think that is actually pretty concerning in itself, Labour trying to lean on yet another independent body like it leant on the Speaker of the House of Commons to not have a vote on Gaza. I think you are beginning to see, people are beginning to see, what a Labour government would actually be like.

Does he have any proof of he is trying to deflect?

He did have a mare of an interview with Nick Ferrari on LBC this morning so maybe just flinging mud is all they have left?

And let’s not forget the Tories leaning in on the Rayner housing thingy. Best not throw stones when you’re in a greenhouse and all that.

[dbdb]

B'stard Child said:

I voted for Blair in 1997 too - Conservative party was a mess and deserved the kicking they got IMO - he offered credible alternative

Labour aren’t offering that at the moment IMO

I’ve never not voted in any general election so not voting isn’t an option.

I’d love to see Truss get her P45 - I certainly won’t vote conservative while she remains the constituency MP but I can’t hold my nose and vote Labour.

We do have an independent candidate (ex conservative) standing but can’t see him doing very well although if enough local voters see him as a better choice than Truss as opposed to reform or labour he might do ok

So spoil the ballot seems the obvious answer or if I’m in good mood on the day see if I can help a fringe MRLM candidate to not lose his deposit

Mrs BC has already voted Reform and she normally votes labour every time so maybe the std view on here that reform will only take votes from conservatives is slightly misplaced (straw poll of one I know)

Quite a lot of traditional Labour supporters are reasonably socially conservative and with the drift of the Labour party into being socially 'progressive' I should imagine they will loose quite a few voters to Reform. I see it as the basis for much of Boris Johnson's success in some of the Red wall areas - it wasn't just Brexit.

[ianrb]

Will Rishi have resigned by breakfast time or lunch time?

And what will the Conservative party do? Will they carefully plan how to retake the centre ground, or will the nut jobs go on the rampage and see how far to the right they can go?

[CharlesdeGaulle]

ianrb said:

Will Rishi have resigned by breakfast time or lunch time?

And what will the Conservative party do? Will they carefully plan how to retake the centre ground, or will the nut jobs go on the rampage and see how far to the right they can go?

I fear the latter. Pandering to the nut jobs didn't go well with UKIP and Brexit, and nor will it go well with Reform. Trying to reclaim the lunatic fringe is madness, but that's exactly what I think they'll do, getting further away from sensible and inclusive one-nation conservatism and alienating the core and the future base.

[Jockman]

RemarkLima said:

Only had the incumbent Mark Francois leaflet through the door, boasting about how he achieved everything in the whole area - which is unlikely, as I doubt he could arrange a proverbial in a drinking establishment.

Then today, received a Reform leaflet. Very, very thin on the details - just a picture of the chap pointing at the camera, then the other side 4 bullet points - Stop the boats (obvs), net zero immigration (see point 1?), lower taxes (I also need a unicorn) and of course, cheaper energy.

I am not convinced they actually have anything sensible, or are just throwing out keywords - maybe it should have had a trigger warning for both sides of the debate?

Nothing from anyone else so far... I think the Right Honourable Mark Francois will be in yet again, steady lifer - but Reform could do some damage here?

What an awful choice you face. Depends if you want to protest or not.

[MiniMan64]

turbobloke said:

Northern Ireland Secretary, Chris Heaton-Harris, is quoted claiming Labour is trying to “lean on” the Gambling Commission after Pat McFadden, (running the official Opposition campaign) wrote to the watchdog pressing it to release the names of figures under investigation.

Heaton Harris speaking on Times Radio said:

I think that is actually pretty concerning in itself, Labour trying to lean on yet another independent body like it leant on the Speaker of the House of Commons to not have a vote on Gaza. I think you are beginning to see, people are beginning to see, what a Labour government would actually be like.

Yes I mean Labour suggesting an independent body ensure they investigate yet more Tory corruption is the real scandal here…

[B'stard Child]

xeny said:

B'stard Child said:

I’ve never not voted in any general election so not voting isn’t an option.

I really don't see how this follows.

We have a right to vote - use it or lose it

Daily Hate in 2038 said:

voter apathy reached an all time low with just 5% turn out - even winning candidates lost their deposits - the 300 MP’s in parliament voted to scrap the whole process as a cost saving to the country and President Thomas Farage (formerly Lord of clacton) was appointed by the Queen Beatrice as the new supreme ruler.

The devolved administrations of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland had already dispensed with elections 4 years previously and no resistance had been noticed

I have a right to vote - even I choose to note vote for any candidate but to spoil my paper

[MC Bodge]

MiniMan64 said:

turbobloke said:

Northern Ireland Secretary, Chris Heaton-Harris, is quoted claiming Labour is trying to “lean on” the Gambling Commission after Pat McFadden, (running the official Opposition campaign) wrote to the watchdog pressing it to release the names of figures under investigation.

Heaton Harris speaking on Times Radio said:

I think that is actually pretty concerning in itself, Labour trying to lean on yet another independent body like it leant on the Speaker of the House of Commons to not have a vote on Gaza. I think you are beginning to see, people are beginning to see, what a Labour government would actually be like.

Yes I mean Labour suggesting an independent body ensure they investigate yet more Tory corruption is the real scandal here…

Yes, for people living in their own little turbo-charged world

[Rivenink]

B'stard Child said:

xeny said:

B'stard Child said:

I’ve never not voted in any general election so not voting isn’t an option.

I really don't see how this follows.

We have a right to vote - use it or lose it

Daily Hate in 2038 said:

voter apathy reached an all time low with just 5% turn out - even winning candidates lost their deposits - the 300 MP’s in parliament voted to scrap the whole process as a cost saving to the country and President Thomas Farage (formerly Lord of clacton) was appointed by the Queen Beatrice as the new supreme ruler.

The devolved administrations of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland had already dispensed with elections 4 years previously and no resistance had been noticed

I have a right to vote - even I choose to note vote for any candidate but to spoil my paper

Basically this.

Any democracy is full of flaws.

But's it's always more preferable to the alternatives.

[turbobloke]

Castrol for a knave said:

turbobloke said:

ISWYM but she may not be wet behind the ears if she remembers that the last Labour government had officials compile a database containing details of every garden in England (possibly Wales too). About a week ago in The Guardian Wes Streeting refused to rule out council tax rises if Labour wins the election 'we will not make promises we cannot keep or that the country cannot afford'.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-1...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/...


IIRC Starmer has said that council tax bands will not change, however, a new top band or bands may be created, and this is Capt FlipFlop we're dealing with.

Except they didn't have officials compile a database. They had the VOA drag itself into the 21st century by installing a GIS system to run alongside its Land Registry portal.

Acting outside instructions? Really? If that's your takeaway from this FOIA info, blimey.

[hidetheelephants]

turbobloke said:

Castrol for a knave said:

turbobloke said:

ISWYM but she may not be wet behind the ears if she remembers that the last Labour government had officials compile a database containing details of every garden in England (possibly Wales too). About a week ago in The Guardian Wes Streeting refused to rule out council tax rises if Labour wins the election 'we will not make promises we cannot keep or that the country cannot afford'.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-1...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/...


IIRC Starmer has said that council tax bands will not change, however, a new top band or bands may be created, and this is Capt FlipFlop we're dealing with.

Except they didn't have officials compile a database. They had the VOA drag itself into the 21st century by installing a GIS system to run alongside its Land Registry portal.

Acting outside instructions? Really? If that's your takeaway from this FOIA info, blimey.

Having a digital land registry is governmental overreach? You're out of your gourd.

[turbobloke]

hidetheelephants said:

turbobloke said:

Castrol for a knave said:

turbobloke said:

ISWYM but she may not be wet behind the ears if she remembers that the last Labour government had officials compile a database containing details of every garden in England (possibly Wales too). About a week ago in The Guardian Wes Streeting refused to rule out council tax rises if Labour wins the election 'we will not make promises we cannot keep or that the country cannot afford'.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-1...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/...


IIRC Starmer has said that council tax bands will not change, however, a new top band or bands may be created, and this is Capt FlipFlop we're dealing with.

Except they didn't have officials compile a database. They had the VOA drag itself into the 21st century by installing a GIS system to run alongside its Land Registry portal.

Acting outside instructions? Really? If that's your takeaway from this FOIA info, blimey.

Having a digital land registry is governmental overreach? You're out of your gourd.

You made it up, I didn't say 'digital land registry' or link it to 'government overreach'. Twisting words in a transparent strawman, cute.

Your post suggests government involvement anyway, which is odd in view of the overall thruuust.

[hidetheelephants]

turbobloke said:

You made it up, I didn't say 'digital land registry' or link it to 'government overreach'. Twisting words in a transparent strawman, cute.

Your post suggests government involvement anyway, which is odd in view of the overall thruuust.

You're going to argue that a database of gardens isn't a digital land registry? You really are out of your gourd.

[MC Bodge]

hidetheelephants said:

turbobloke said:

You made it up, I didn't say 'digital land registry' or link it to 'government overreach'. Twisting words in a transparent strawman, cute.

Your post suggests government involvement anyway, which is odd in view of the overall thruuust.

You're going to argue that a database of gardens isn't a digital land registry? You really are out of your gourd.

[blearyeyedboy]

I have a different perspective which might add to conversation, all the way from left-leaning Cambridge.

For context, here's the 2019 results:


What's happening here?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. No noise, no doorstep knocks, nothing... except two leaflets.

The local Lib Dems have historically been very active. We used to have a Lib Dem MP in the Coallition years (Julian Huppert). I've had every Lib Dem and Labour parliamentary and Mayoral candidate knock on my door at every election for the past decade, and a few Conservatives. This year, I haven't had a leaflet from anyone except a local independent, and one from Labour reminding me turn up to vote.

It's like everyone who isn't Labour has given up here. The Lib Dems seem to have a hit list (and Cambridge isn't on it). The Conservatives have just given up.

Even Labour seem to be keeping it "lightweight", I suspect to save their battle funds for more contentious areas.

It's eerily quiet here, and I suspect a lot of tactical deployment of volunteers and funds is afoot.

[Bonefish Blues]

My mate Callum the LibDem's still writing to me every day, bless him. Tells me I simply must vote for him because his modelling tells me it's the only way to keep the Tory out. Labour lady tells me the same. She doesn't write as often. Tory is called Rupert, he's only written once.

[MesoForm]

Bonefish Blues said:

My mate Callum the LibDem's still writing to me every day, bless him. Tells me I simply must vote for him because his modelling tells me it's the only way to keep the Tory out. Labour lady tells me the same. She doesn't write as often. Tory is called Rupert, he's only written once.

We're getting loads from Lib Dems and the incumbent Tory, only one from Labour. We also got told by Lib Dems and Labour that they are the only ones that can beat the Tories here, both with their own graphs showing how they were second in a previous election!