General Election July 2024

[Kermit power]

Jasandjules said:

Can't we just call them beaker, kermit, fozzy bear etc. I mean, they are all muppets in any event.....

[Kermit power]

I was listening to The News Agents whilst out walking the dog this morning, and they visited a Conservative focus group oop North to meet actual real life examples of "Whitby Woman", who is being positioned as a key demographic in this election similar to Essex Man and Mondeo Man in days of yore.

Now I do realise that I'm laying myself open to accusations of massive prejudice here as my opinion was based 100% on location, accent and the ability to string a sentence together, but when I heard one saying "I'm terrified of Starmer getting in because he'll tax us dry... he'll tax us on our homes for living in them", I couldn't help feeling that Sunak seems to have done a project fear job there that must exceed his wildest fantasies if she thinks she's Starmer’s target demographic for plunder!

[macron]

frisbee said:

Have they investigated who has been betting on the Tories loosing the election?

Well they've certainly been slack.

[JagLover]

Kermit power said:

Jasandjules said:

Can't we just call them beaker, kermit, fozzy bear etc. I mean, they are all muppets in any event.....

Hate to break it to you but Sunak would be Kermit.

[Kermit power]

JagLover said:

Kermit power said:

Jasandjules said:

Can't we just call them beaker, kermit, fozzy bear etc. I mean, they are all muppets in any event.....

Hate to break it to you but Sunak would be Kermit.

Hmm.. I'm not convinced. I think he better fits this description of Fozzie Bear:

Muppet biographer Christopher Finch said:

Fozzie is a sweetly insecure and absolutely terrible comedian. Such a bad comedian that he can't afford good joke writers, and he can't write good jokes himself."

Edited by Kermit power on Monday 24th June 09:36

[turbobloke]

Kermit power said:

I was listening to The News Agents whilst out walking the dog this morning, and they visited a Conservative focus group oop North to meet actual real life examples of "Whitby Woman", who is being positioned as a key demographic in this election similar to Essex Man and Mondeo Man in days of yore.

Now I do realise that I'm laying myself open to accusations of massive prejudice here as my opinion was based 100% on location, accent and the ability to string a sentence together, but when I heard one saying "I'm terrified of Starmer getting in because he'll tax us dry... he'll tax us on our homes for living in them", I couldn't help feeling that Sunak seems to have done a project fear job there that must exceed his wildest fantasies if she thinks she's Starmer’s target demographic for plunder!

ISWYM but she may not be wet behind the ears if she remembers that the last Labour government had officials compile a database containing details of every garden in England (possibly Wales too). About a week ago in The Guardian Wes Streeting refused to rule out council tax rises if Labour wins the election 'we will not make promises we cannot keep or that the country cannot afford'.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-1...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/...


IIRC Starmer has said that council tax bands will not change, however, a new top band or bands may be created, and this is Capt FlipFlop we're dealing with.

[blueg33]

turbobloke said:

ISWYM but she may not be wet behind the ears if she remembers that the last Labour government had officials compile a database containing details of every garden in England (possibly Wales too). About a week ago in The Guardian Wes Streeting refused to rule out council tax rises if Labour wins the election 'we will not make promises we cannot keep or that the country cannot afford'.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-1...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/...


IIRC Starmer has said that council tax bands will not change, however, a new top band or bands may be created, and this is Capt FlipFlop we're dealing with.

++Well at lease we will be rid of:

Colonel crooked
Madame rots quicker than a lettuce
and
Corporal Inept

I have more respect for someone who can look at a decision and decide it was wrong or could be improved on than people who stick to idiocy no matter how idiotic it is proving to be

[Mr Penguin]

turbobloke said:

ISWYM but she may not be wet behind the ears if she remembers that the last Labour government had officials compile a database containing details of every garden in England (possibly Wales too). About a week ago in The Guardian Wes Streeting refused to rule out council tax rises if Labour wins the election 'we will not make promises we cannot keep or that the country cannot afford'.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-1...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/...


IIRC Starmer has said that council tax bands will not change, however, a new top band or bands may be created, and this is Capt FlipFlop we're dealing with.

Streeting said:
'we will not make promises we cannot keep or that the country cannot afford'.

[turbobloke]

blueg33 said:

turbobloke said:

ISWYM but she may not be wet behind the ears if she remembers that the last Labour government had officials compile a database containing details of every garden in England (possibly Wales too). About a week ago in The Guardian Wes Streeting refused to rule out council tax rises if Labour wins the election 'we will not make promises we cannot keep or that the country cannot afford'.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-1...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/...


IIRC Starmer has said that council tax bands will not change, however, a new top band or bands may be created, and this is Capt FlipFlop we're dealing with.

++Well at lease we will be rid of:

Colonel crooked
Madame rots quicker than a lettuce
and
Corporal Inept

I have more respect for someone who can look at a decision and decide it was wrong or could be improved on than people who stick to idiocy no matter how idiotic it is proving to be

You have the basis for a new board game there, and it's a better diversion than most. Having read mention of Lord Ashcroft on a thread this morning, a focus group recently had people tending to agree with Tory policies but refusing to vote for them because of the people, Lord A gave an example but it wasn't Whitby Woman.

Sure, deciding a decision was wrong is OK. Beyond 'a decision' how many wrong decisions can there be before decision-making is revealed as unsound? Take your pick.

https://www.politico.eu/article/all-of-keir-starme...
https://www.bigissue.com/news/politics/keir-starme...

[ChocolateFrog]

10 days, why does it feel like it's dragging on and on and on.

[S600BSB]

ChocolateFrog said:

10 days, why does it feel like it's dragging on and on and on.

Agree - we need some excitement

[Unreal]

blueg33 said:

turbobloke said:

ISWYM but she may not be wet behind the ears if she remembers that the last Labour government had officials compile a database containing details of every garden in England (possibly Wales too). About a week ago in The Guardian Wes Streeting refused to rule out council tax rises if Labour wins the election 'we will not make promises we cannot keep or that the country cannot afford'.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-1...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/...


IIRC Starmer has said that council tax bands will not change, however, a new top band or bands may be created, and this is Capt FlipFlop we're dealing with.

++Well at lease we will be rid of:

Colonel crooked
Madame rots quicker than a lettuce
and
Corporal Inept

I have more respect for someone who can look at a decision and decide it was wrong or could be improved on than people who stick to idiocy no matter how idiotic it is proving to be

Both can happen. The Tories are a shambles and don't deserve to remain in power. An incoming Labour government will raise money through Council Tax.

The latter is easy to collect compared to many other taxes and aimed at the perceived 'rich' it will be popular with Labour's core supporters. I think the people who are going to be disappointed are the not rich Guardian readers who like the message SKS is sending, It will be interesting to see the re-emergency of all the bolshy Labourites and Union leaders. Their silence is deafening but it won't last.

Since we're in the prediction game I will go for the alternative to cutting services or raising taxes that not many seem to be talking about, which is that Labour will change the fiscal rules and borrow more, to once again kick the can down the road. My nightmare is some new hare brained idea like PFI. I fear Labour and the country will be taken to the cleaners.

I just want it over now. Let's see what they can do. Everyone should want things to be improved, even if many are very comfortable with the way things are.

[ChocolateFrog]

sim72 said:

272BHP said:

As an observation I have seen very few posters or signs for this election, usually there are always a few here and there.
In Surrey I have seen no blue or red ones at all, a few orange ones but that is it.

It's complete tumbleweed round here. We've had one Labour leaflet, and one from the Greens.

This is a seat which - whilst the Tories won with 56% of the vote last time - has gone with the winning side in every election since 1970 bar one (a very narrow Tory win in 2005). In recent years UKIP/Brexit/Reform have generally done reasonably well here too. Yet you'd hardly know there was an election on.

Edited by sim72 on Sunday 23 June 22:10

The only one I've seen was on the garden wall of a Conservative MP.

I thought it was brave if nothing else.

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ChocolateFrog said:

10 days, why does it feel like it's dragging on and on and on.

Probably because most of the population don’t spend their lives being obsessed by any of it.

[ChocolateFrog]

turbobloke said:

ISWYM but she may not be wet behind the ears if she remembers that the last Labour government had officials compile a database containing details of every garden in England (possibly Wales too). About a week ago in The Guardian Wes Streeting refused to rule out council tax rises if Labour wins the election 'we will not make promises we cannot keep or that the country cannot afford'.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-1...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/...


IIRC Starmer has said that council tax bands will not change, however, a new top band or bands may be created, and this is Capt FlipFlop we're dealing with.

Sounds a lot like 99% of us need not be worried.

[sparkythecat]

macron said:

frisbee said:

Have they investigated who has been betting on the Tories loosing the election?

Well they've certainly been slack.

[turbobloke]

sparkythecat said:

macron said:

frisbee said:

Have they investigated who has been betting on the Tories loosing the election?

Well they've certainly been slack.

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sparkythecat said:

macron said:

frisbee said:

Have they investigated who has been betting on the Tories loosing the election?

Well they've certainly been slack.

[Tom8]

Unreal said:

blueg33 said:

turbobloke said:

ISWYM but she may not be wet behind the ears if she remembers that the last Labour government had officials compile a database containing details of every garden in England (possibly Wales too). About a week ago in The Guardian Wes Streeting refused to rule out council tax rises if Labour wins the election 'we will not make promises we cannot keep or that the country cannot afford'.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-1...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/...


IIRC Starmer has said that council tax bands will not change, however, a new top band or bands may be created, and this is Capt FlipFlop we're dealing with.

++Well at lease we will be rid of:

Colonel crooked
Madame rots quicker than a lettuce
and
Corporal Inept

I have more respect for someone who can look at a decision and decide it was wrong or could be improved on than people who stick to idiocy no matter how idiotic it is proving to be

Both can happen. The Tories are a shambles and don't deserve to remain in power. An incoming Labour government will raise money through Council Tax.

The latter is easy to collect compared to many other taxes and aimed at the perceived 'rich' it will be popular with Labour's core supporters. I think the people who are going to be disappointed are the not rich Guardian readers who like the message SKS is sending, It will be interesting to see the re-emergency of all the bolshy Labourites and Union leaders. Their silence is deafening but it won't last.

Since we're in the prediction game I will go for the alternative to cutting services or raising taxes that not many seem to be talking about, which is that Labour will change the fiscal rules and borrow more, to once again kick the can down the road. My nightmare is some new hare brained idea like PFI. I fear Labour and the country will be taken to the cleaners.

I just want it over now. Let's see what they can do. Everyone should want things to be improved, even if many are very comfortable with the way things are.

I think your feelings are echoed by many people. Your fear of another PFI type scheme is also shared. Labour will never, ever cut taxes ever. They will only go one way. So whilst the Tories are a shambles, Labour will be painful for anyone who earns any money or tries to save money. What is yours is theirs.

[Castrol for a knave]

turbobloke said:

ISWYM but she may not be wet behind the ears if she remembers that the last Labour government had officials compile a database containing details of every garden in England (possibly Wales too). About a week ago in The Guardian Wes Streeting refused to rule out council tax rises if Labour wins the election 'we will not make promises we cannot keep or that the country cannot afford'.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-1...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/...


IIRC Starmer has said that council tax bands will not change, however, a new top band or bands may be created, and this is Capt FlipFlop we're dealing with.

Except they didn't have officials compile a database. They had the VOA drag itself into the 21st century by installing a GIS system to run alongside its Land Registry portal.

It might add a bit more info to the odd List update, but that's about it.

Maybe the CT list will be updated but given the VOA has been hollowed it, like the Environment Agency (stty rivers anyone), it's just about capable of administering the Rating List and revals, nevermind the CT List.