General Election July 2024

[bitchstewie]

Farage said "we provoked this war".

That isn't misrepresenting him it's literally a direct quote.

[MC Bodge]

"Charlatan who promised to lead/guide the UK away to the non-EU Promised Land, who gets a disproportionate exposure on the BBC, and who is again promising to lead the UK to the Promised Land as the Land promised in 2016 wasn't actually worth going to, in now being misrepresented Shocka!"

[Unreal]

bhstewie said:

Farage said "we provoked this war".

That isn't misrepresenting him it's literally a direct quote.

He's not the only person that thinks that, or at the very least the West are not blameless. It's not a conspiracy theory in line with fake moon landings.

He said other things as well, didn't he?

He said the invasion was wrong. No headlines stating Farage condemns Putin's invasion though.

I feel sorry for Robinson on two counts. He's clearly very ill and his hatred for anything that goes against his metropolitan belief system compromises his ability to conduct a dispassionate interview.

[turbobloke]

Unreal said:

bhstewie said:

Farage said "we provoked this war".

That isn't misrepresenting him it's literally a direct quote.

He's not the only person that thinks that, or at the very least the West are not blameless. It's not a conspiracy theory in line with fake moon landings.

He said other things as well, didn't he?

He said the invasion was wrong. No headlines stating Farage condemns Putin's invasion though.

I feel sorry for Robinson on two counts. He's clearly very ill and his hatred for anything that goes against his metropolitan belief system compromises his ability to conduct a dispassionate interview.

He may have been sharing coffee mugs with Beth Rigby et al.

[119]

bhstewie said:

Farage said "we provoked this war".

That isn't misrepresenting him it's literally a direct quote.

Who do you think he meant with the "we"?

The UK?

[ChocolateFrog]

Farage has fked up there.

Playing to a small minority sulking up to Putin.

Atleast it shows more of what he stands for and its made the headlines too.

[pingu393]

ChocolateFrog said:

Farage has fked up there.

Playing to a small minority sulking up to Putin.

Atleast it shows more of what he stands for and its made the headlines too.

Was his statement about George Robertson true or false? I can't find it, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

[Unreal]

ChocolateFrog said:

Farage has fked up there.

Playing to a small minority sulking up to Putin.

Atleast it shows more of what he stands for and its made the headlines too.

We'll see how people feel about supporting Ukraine in a year or two when we're being told there's no money. It will be particularly interesting if Trump is President.

[S600BSB]

ChocolateFrog said:

Farage has fked up there.

Playing to a small minority sulking up to Putin.

Atleast it shows more of what he stands for and its made the headlines too.

It’s an awful error. Going to be very costly.

[loafer123]

S600BSB said:

ChocolateFrog said:

Farage has fked up there.

Playing to a small minority sulking up to Putin.

Atleast it shows more of what he stands for and its made the headlines too.

It’s an awful error. Going to be very costly.

As was him saying Andrew Tate was an important voice for men.

[pingu393]

What unintended consequences do you think will befall the Labour government?

I think...

1. State pension is unable to be taxed at the moment, so they will have to allow the triple lock plus.
2. VAT on private schools will result in lots of "normal" kids not getting places when they are supposed to start secondary school, as the private school parents will get in there first.
3. Banning leasehold will result in massive rises in house prices, as the ground under a building will now need to be paid for, as well as the bricks and mortar.

Feel free to quote me. 100 days on (13 Sep 2024), you can point out how wrong I was . I hope I am - especially 2 and 3.

[Murph7355]

bhstewie said:

Farage said "we provoked this war".

That isn't misrepresenting him it's literally a direct quote.

It is, however, taking what he noted out of context.

As Nick Robinson started out doing on several topics on Panorama, Farage gave the context (which if you listened to it and dropped the rage view of the man was typically far less sensationalist than is made out), and then Nick Robinson did again as he closed the interview.

I didn't think that showed Panorama or Nick Robinson in an especially good light personally.

And no, I've never voted for Farage before you get all upset, and will be spoiling my paper this time round

[Murph7355]

isaldiri said:

pingu393 said:

How many have only read the headline, and not seen the interview?

They will definitely agree with the BBC's interpretation.

Ah, so the media have deliberately misrepresented what someone might have said in order to make him look bad by implying he said something per headlines that wasn't necessarily an accurate reflection of what was being said? What a surprise.....

Did you watch it?

I did (Christ knows why really....I think I only stayed watching because of Nick Robinson's angle of attack).

There were a number of points that Robinson tried to make that Farage actually answered reasonably sensibly. Only for Robinson to repeat the context free statements as the show ended. It wasn't a good look IMO.

[Mrr T]

pingu393 said:

What unintended consequences do you think will befall the Labour government?

I think...

1. State pension is unable to be taxed at the moment, so they will have to allow the triple lock plus.
2. VAT on private schools will result in lots of "normal" kids not getting places when they are supposed to start secondary school, as the private school parents will get in there first.
3. Banning leasehold will result in massive rises in house prices, as the ground under a building will now need to be paid for, as well as the bricks and mortar.

Feel free to quote me. 100 days on (13 Sep 2024), you can point out how wrong I was . I hope I am - especially 2 and 3.

I suspect you do not know how leasehold works.

[Rufus Stone]

pingu393 said:

What unintended consequences do you think will befall the Labour government?

I think...

1. State pension is unable to be taxed at the moment, so they will have to allow the triple lock plus.
2. VAT on private schools will result in lots of "normal" kids not getting places when they are supposed to start secondary school, as the private school parents will get in there first.
3. Banning leasehold will result in massive rises in house prices, as the ground under a building will now need to be paid for, as well as the bricks and mortar.

Feel free to quote me. 100 days on (13 Sep 2024), you can point out how wrong I was . I hope I am - especially 2 and 3.

Would have helped if the Tories hadn't spaffed 4% NI cut on an attempted bribe.

[Garvin]

Murph7355 said:

It is, however, taking what he noted out of context.

As Nick Robinson started out doing on several topics on Panorama, Farage gave the context (which if you listened to it and dropped the rage view of the man was typically far less sensationalist than is made out), and then Nick Robinson did again as he closed the interview.

I didn't think that showed Panorama or Nick Robinson in an especially good light personally.

And no, I've never voted for Farage before you get all upset, and will be spoiling my paper this time round

Wasting your time Murph. Context and nuance are alien concepts to a binary thinking person.

[pingu393]

Mrr T said:

pingu393 said:

What unintended consequences do you think will befall the Labour government?

I think...

1. State pension is unable to be taxed at the moment, so they will have to allow the triple lock plus.
2. VAT on private schools will result in lots of "normal" kids not getting places when they are supposed to start secondary school, as the private school parents will get in there first.
3. Banning leasehold will result in massive rises in house prices, as the ground under a building will now need to be paid for, as well as the bricks and mortar.

Feel free to quote me. 100 days on (13 Sep 2024), you can point out how wrong I was . I hope I am - especially 2 and 3.

I suspect you do not know how leasehold works.

Tell me. Genuinely, I think leasehold is to cover the ground rent and is also sometimes used to upkeep of the structure of communal buildings.

Upkeeping communal buildings can be sorted, but the ground belongs to the leaseholder. If the leaseholder has to now sell the ground as well as the occupancy rights, will the price not have to rise?

[Rufus Stone]

pingu393 said:

Tell me. Genuinely, I think leasehold is to cover the ground rent and is also sometimes used to upkeep of the structure of communal buildings.

Upkeeping communal buildings can be sorted, but the ground belongs to the leaseholder. If the leaseholder has to now sell the ground as well as the occupancy rights, will the price not have to rise?

Freeholder owns the land and building.
Leaseholder has exclusive rights of use for a specified period.

[FiF]

Garvin said:

Murph7355 said:

It is, however, taking what he noted out of context.

As Nick Robinson started out doing on several topics on Panorama, Farage gave the context (which if you listened to it and dropped the rage view of the man was typically far less sensationalist than is made out), and then Nick Robinson did again as he closed the interview.

I didn't think that showed Panorama or Nick Robinson in an especially good light personally.

And no, I've never voted for Farage before you get all upset, and will be spoiling my paper this time round

Wasting your time Murph. Context and nuance are alien concepts to a binary thinking person.

That's what I thought too. Regardless of one's opinion of the individuals concerned, selective quotes deliberately missing out the surrounding context, the timing of the original remarks and the intended audience are sadly typical tactics these days. Can often say far more about the quoter than the quotee.

[Mrr T]

pingu393 said:

Mrr T said:

pingu393 said:

What unintended consequences do you think will befall the Labour government?

I think...

1. State pension is unable to be taxed at the moment, so they will have to allow the triple lock plus.
2. VAT on private schools will result in lots of "normal" kids not getting places when they are supposed to start secondary school, as the private school parents will get in there first.
3. Banning leasehold will result in massive rises in house prices, as the ground under a building will now need to be paid for, as well as the bricks and mortar.

Feel free to quote me. 100 days on (13 Sep 2024), you can point out how wrong I was . I hope I am - especially 2 and 3.

I suspect you do not know how leasehold works.

Tell me. Genuinely, I think leasehold is to cover the ground rent and is also sometimes used to upkeep of the structure of communal buildings.

Upkeeping communal buildings can be sorted, but the ground belongs to the leaseholder. If the leaseholder has to now sell the ground as well as the occupancy rights, will the price not have to rise?

Your right the lessor owns the land. And if a lease is only a few years the lessor has has value because he will get the land in a few years. However, on a long lease say 99 years of even 999 years the lessor has very little value because it's so long until they get the land back.

Getting did of leasehold on flats would require a major rewrite of UK property law. The growth of leasehold on houses is new and seems to have been an attempt to get extra value from buyers by charging fees which seem excessive. A change in the law on houses should not have much affect except on a few where the fees may affect the same value.