Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

[irc]

It's coming thick and fast now. Pity none of these sore losers criticised Her Nippiness before she chucked it

Former Western Isles MP says

“It’s time for the pettiness to leave the SNP leadership. That pettiness was brought in by Nicola Sturgeon, who couldn’t cope with a different opinion or learn from another opinion or change her opinion."

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/p...

[csd19]

irc said:

Which begs the question of how she rose to the top in the first place.

Simple, st floats... Until it doesn't and sinks without a trace...

[irc]

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Wings points out the 4 seats where a Green candidate split the indy vote and lost an SNP MP their seat on the gravy train.

Alyn Smith
Alison Thewliss
Stewart Macdonald
Tommy Shepherd.

Could hardly have happened to a nicer bunch.

https://wingsoverscotland.com/your-enemys-enemies/...

[Snow and Rocks]

Ha - that's pretty amusing! Have forwarded the article on to a couple of Green/SNP supporting friends who live in Tommy's constituency.

[hidetheelephants]

irc said:

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Wings points out the 4 seats where a Green candidate split the indy vote and lost an SNP MP their seat on the gravy train.

Alyn Smith
Alison Thewliss
Stewart Macdonald
Tommy Shepherd.

Could hardly have happened to a nicer bunch.

https://wingsoverscotland.com/your-enemys-enemies/...

Bwahahahahahahaha. Alyn Smith is such a egotistical roaster.

[wobert]

I think ITV played an absolute blinder getting Nippy on.

She was so blinded by a £10k payment, she failed to have the forethought of any potential outcome being so catastrophic.

The scene of her being sat next to Osborne, one of those Tories she detests so much, whilst watching those in the SNP and press starting to turn against her.

Much like her leadership, a lack of ability to judge and act accordingly has shown her true colours…she’s finished.

[irc]

She wouldn't care whether or not she caused problems for the SNP. Nippy first. Party second. Country third.

£10k qualifies as being bought and sold for English gold as someone once said.

Usual poor judgment. She thought they would lose a dozen seats. Maybe twenty. She didn't forsee sitting front and centre on national TV as a catastrophe unfolded.

[Lefty]

I wonder if, come the next Scottish elections, the unionist parties should take a lesson from the French and form an anti-separatist alliance to finally put the SNP in their place.

[Evercross]

Lefty said:

I wonder if, come the next Scottish elections, the unionist parties should take a lesson from the French and form an anti-separatist alliance to finally put the SNP in their place.

I don't think they'll need to (plus the French election system pretty much requires parties to form alliances to allow candidates to 'drop-out' of split votes, otherwise their elections would go on forever).

[Klippie]

I wonder how long this cosy picture will last, as Starmer previously said: “Absolutely no deal with the SNP, obviously not going into the election, no deal the other side of the election – under any circumstances.

“And that’s not just a question of mathematics. That is because there is no way an incoming Labour government could ever work in any way with the SNP, whose only ambition it to break up the United Kingdom.”

So the SNP have already been told by Labour there won't be another Referendum, what spin do they tell the remaining faithful supporters now, when they start up the Westminster blame game against Labour all that will do is make them look stupid, saying that it didn't seem to concern them previously...so just the same old pish then as its all they have.

[Evercross]

irc said:

Wings points out the 4 seats where a Green candidate split the indy vote and lost an SNP MP their seat on the gravy train.

Got to hand it to Rev. Stu. He's a bit of a bawbag but you cannot deny his impassive analysis of stats to counter the fake narratives.

End of Part One.

There's a certain irony in this...

Wings over Scotland said:

It was an extremely Pyrrhic victory for Flynn, whose plans to get elected to Holyrood in 2026 as a stepping stone to the party leadership now lie in tatters. Under the rules invented to stymie Joanna Cherry, he now can’t run for the Scottish Parliament without first standing down at Westminster – not a great look for the Westminster leader.

Being an SNP MP at Westminster now is like being a eunuch at an orgy. He doesn't even get to speak at FMQs anymore!

So, Cherry is now free to pursue a Holyrood place and Flynn cannot go for leader without triggering a by-election, which the SNP will more than likely lose with all the bad publicity that entails. Which all convinces me even more that Swinney will continue to manage the decline as leader and First Minister and the SNP will do their utmost to try and contain the internecine warfare that is already breaking out in their ranks.

It is going to be an interesting 2 years watching the SNP in total denial mode at Holyrood while everyone and their dog takes potshots at them (exactly like what happened to the Conservatives at Westminster for the last 3 years).

Oh, dear. What a shame. Never mind....

Edited by Evercross on Monday 8th July 09:35

[Evercross]

Klippie said:

I wonder how long this cosy picture will last.

Purely a formality, and a sensible move by Starmer as he appears magnanimous and creates a very significant symbol of what just happened to the power dynamic.

As Prime Minister of the UK he would be idiotic to do otherwise and lend credence to the notion that Scotland doesn't matter. Starmer isn't nearly as petty as Sturgeon (who would no doubt have pulled some stunt or torn-face in the same circumstances).

In a couple of years time Starmer will replace that picture with one showing Anas Sarwar at his side. He's has already made it clear that his intention is to oust the SNP, not pacify them.

Edited by Evercross on Monday 8th July 09:41

[NRS]

irc said:

She wouldn't care whether or not she caused problems for the SNP. Nippy first. Party second. Country third.

£10k qualifies as being bought and sold for English gold as someone once said.

Usual poor judgment. She thought they would lose a dozen seats. Maybe twenty. She didn't forsee sitting front and centre on national TV as a catastrophe unfolded.

Mercdriver said:

irc said:

Kevin McKenna doesn't miss his target.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/viewpoint/...

Has the bugger that Nippy got £10k for her performance on Thursday.

It was worth £10k to see her nippy face

At first I wondered why she had signed up to this, given she would have known the SNP was going to get a kicking. But of course with a bit of thought it's yet again an example of her trying to control the narrative. A combination of her being able to say her opinion (nae my fault) and also purely by being there it's less likely someone will tear into her as we don't like saying negative stuff in front of someone for the most part. She knew a kicking was coming, she just wanted to try and avoid being blamed hence her turning up. Protect her legacy at all costs.

[Klippie]

During the election campaign I remember hearing a percentage of 50% being spouted as the support for independence, this of course was SNP and Alba together.

Now we all know this was nonsense...I was curious to see Alba's total for the election, it did make me chuckle I must admit.

A grand total of.....11,784 votes from the whole of Scotland, so yes inependence is flying high.

[Evercross]

NRS said:

At first I wondered why she had signed up to this, given she would have known the SNP was going to get a kicking. But of course with a bit of thought it's yet again an example of her trying to control the narrative. A combination of her being able to say her opinion (nae my fault) and also purely by being there it's less likely someone will tear into her as we don't like saying negative stuff in front of someone for the most part. She knew a kicking was coming, she just wanted to try and avoid being blamed hence her turning up. Protect her legacy at all costs.

I think you give her too much credence. It was pure narcissism - she thought she still had something to say. The telling moment for me was when she iterated that Joanna Cherry had previously been elected three times while she was in charge of the party, implying that it was her that made the difference.

Sturgeon blithely refuses to accept her part in their demise, as if GRR/Branchform/her walking off the job for no stated reason had no bearing on things.

Sturgeon is a sociopath and there is now enough evidence in the public domain for even an amateur psychologist to reach that conclusion. If she thinks she is still controlling the narrative then she is only fooling herself.

Edited by Evercross on Monday 8th July 10:16

[Master Of Puppets]

Evercross said:

I think you give her too much credence. It was pure narcissism - she thought she still had something to say. The telling moment for me was when she iterated that Joanna Cherry had previously been elected three times while she was in charge of the party, implying that it was her that made the difference.

Sturgeon blithely refuses to accept her part in their demise, as if GRR/Branchform/her walking off the job for no stated reason had no bearing on things.

Sturgeon is a sociopath and there is now enough evidence in the public domain for even an amateur psychologist to reach that conclusion. If she thinks she is still controlling the narrative then she is only fooling herself.

Edited by Evercross on Monday 8th July 10:16

'Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder characterized by a life-long pattern of exaggerated feelings of self-importance, an excessive need for admiration, and a diminished ability to empathize with other people's feelings.'

Sounds accurate to me.

[Roderick Spode]

Master Of Puppets said:

'Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder characterized by a life-long pattern of exaggerated feelings of self-importance, an excessive need for admiration, and a diminished ability to empathize with other people's feelings.'

Sounds accurate to me.

I came here to post this Sturgeon's performance on Thursday night should be included in future reference matter on the subject, as a prime example of NPD in action. The ability of the person to distance themselves impassively from situations they have created, the ability to blame others and genuinely believe in their own minds that they themselves are innocent, and to feel zero shame or culpability for situations of their creation. Sturgeon embodies all these characteristics effortlessly. Even when (hopefully) Poileas Alba come knocking with an arrest warrant she will fully believe that she is innocent, despite (alleged) evidence to the contrary.

Evercross said:

So, Cherry is now free to pursue a Holyrood place and Flynn cannot go for leader without triggering a by-election, which the SNP will more than likely lose with all the bad publicity that entails. Which all convinces me even more that Swinney will continue to manage the decline as leader and First Minister and the SNP will do their utmost to try and contain the internecine warfare that is already breaking out in their ranks.

Cherry is a formidable lady with a serious grievance to air and axe to grind. She also knows where all the bodies are buried, the list of alphabet ladies, and details of [redacted] and [redacted]. She's also traditionally been an ally of Salmond. So...

Best case scenario for the destruction of the Sturgeonite SNP - Cherry stands and is elected as an MSP, seat or list doesn't matter. Honest John retires citing 'he's done his time'. Of the otherwise grunting halfwits the SNP will have as MSPs, Cherry is elected leader - and then the purge will begin. Injunctions lifted, names released, interdicts rescinded. Cherry knows the law inside out. Some very big names are going to be very embarrassed, and some will face a bit of bird.

However - an SNP under Cherry would likely be a well led and well controlled machine. Given her closeness to Salmond it would be no surprise to see an informal or formal SNP/Alba pact, depending on the election results.

[hidetheelephants]

Roderick Spode said:

Best case scenario for the destruction of the Sturgeonite SNP - Cherry stands and is elected as an MSP, seat or list doesn't matter.

If the party agrees there doesn't even need to be an election; with the corrupt list system all that is needed is to twist the arm of a list MSP and suggest they'd like to spend more time with their family, a quick amendment of the list to have a Cherry on the top and she's an MSP, except the SNP only have two(weirdly both called Emma) and I don't think either are likely to be amenable, although Emma Harper is stupid enough that she might be persuaded that being a member of the public is more influential than being an MSP. More likely Christine Grahame could be prevailed upon to retire and trigger a byelection.

[Evercross]

hidetheelephants said:

Roderick Spode said:

Best case scenario for the destruction of the Sturgeonite SNP - Cherry stands and is elected as an MSP, seat or list doesn't matter.

If the party agrees there doesn't even need to be an election; with the corrupt list system all that is needed is to twist the arm of a list MSP and suggest they'd like to spend more time with their family, a quick amendment of the list to have a Cherry on the top and she's an MSP, except the SNP only have two(weirdly both called Emma) and I don't think either are likely to be amenable, although Emma Harper is stupid enough that she might be persuaded that being a member of the public is more influential than being an MSP. More likely Christine Grahame could be prevailed upon to retire and trigger a byelection.

Are you kidding guys. Joanna Cherry isn't getting within 100 miles of an MSP seat until Swinney's in a retiral home, Nippy is in the clink and the hoards of wee SNP woke activists who have been conditioned to believe that Cherry is a 'terf' and should be 'decapitated' are swept away.

Edited by Evercross on Monday 8th July 15:29

[hidetheelephants]

Evercross said:

Are you kidding guys. Joanna Cherry isn't getting within 100 miles of an MSP seat until Swinney's in a retiral home, Nippy is in the clink and the hoards of wee SNP woke activists who have been conditioned to believe that Cherry is a 'terf' and should be 'decapitated' are swept away.

The loonies are in charge of the executive which means the list is likely not accessible for Cherry, but constituency parties are not completely powerless and they are not all dominated by purple-haired people who would be entirely comfortable in the Scottish Greens.