Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12
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Good 10 minute moan on the financial cost to the SNP of the election. Starts with saying it is two days late while he sobered up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P96qg0qtESA
Short money plus loss of levy paid by MPs not far short of £1.5M x the 5 years of the parliament = £7.5M.
For a party that loss £800k 2 years ago.
Bankruotcy? Perhaps not. Heavily hampered in the run up to 2026 - yes.
Includes the standout phrase explaining why nobody was on he streets celebrating. The answer. "You were voting for a jobby or a s
te". In other words Labour may not be the saviour but it was a price to be paid for killing the SNP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P96qg0qtESA
Short money plus loss of levy paid by MPs not far short of £1.5M x the 5 years of the parliament = £7.5M.
For a party that loss £800k 2 years ago.
Bankruotcy? Perhaps not. Heavily hampered in the run up to 2026 - yes.
Includes the standout phrase explaining why nobody was on he streets celebrating. The answer. "You were voting for a jobby or a s
te". In other words Labour may not be the saviour but it was a price to be paid for killing the SNP. Edited by irc on Sunday 7th July 00:16
The infighting intensifies.
" Alex Neil, in turn said Ms Sturgeon, along with her successor Humza Yousaf and his successor John Swinney were responsdible.
"Nicola was the main author of this defeat along with Humza and John," he wrote on X, formerly Twitter yesterday.
He went on to call for a fresh leadership team of Deputy First Minister Kate Forbes and Westminster leader Stephen Flynn.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24435745.snp-f...
Alex Neil not accepting that the message is the problem not the messenger. Not that corruption and incompetence helps of course.
From the comments
"The SNP has never been the natural vehicle for people’s aspirations; it is a one trick pony that has never mastered its one trick."
" Alex Neil, in turn said Ms Sturgeon, along with her successor Humza Yousaf and his successor John Swinney were responsdible.
"Nicola was the main author of this defeat along with Humza and John," he wrote on X, formerly Twitter yesterday.
He went on to call for a fresh leadership team of Deputy First Minister Kate Forbes and Westminster leader Stephen Flynn.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24435745.snp-f...
Alex Neil not accepting that the message is the problem not the messenger. Not that corruption and incompetence helps of course.
From the comments
"The SNP has never been the natural vehicle for people’s aspirations; it is a one trick pony that has never mastered its one trick."
Edited by irc on Sunday 7th July 10:19
irc said:
The infighting intensifies.
" Alex Neil, in turn said Ms Sturgeon, along with her successor Humza Yousaf and his successor John Swinney were responsdible.
"Nicola was the main author of this defeat along with Humza and John," he wrote on X, formerly Twitter yesterday.
He went on to call for a fresh leadership team of Deputy First Minister Kate Forbes and Westminster leader Stephen Flynn.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24435745.snp-f...
The other side of the battleline..." Alex Neil, in turn said Ms Sturgeon, along with her successor Humza Yousaf and his successor John Swinney were responsdible.
"Nicola was the main author of this defeat along with Humza and John," he wrote on X, formerly Twitter yesterday.
He went on to call for a fresh leadership team of Deputy First Minister Kate Forbes and Westminster leader Stephen Flynn.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24435745.snp-f...
'They' Nicola? Your attempt to distance yourself from SNP calamity fooled no-one
I cited often in the past how former SNP activist George Laird had labled the erstwhile SNP leader and First Minister "unpopular Nicola Sturgeon" - not because she was unpopular with the electorate or the sycophantic media. He named her that long before covid, long before the referendum, and long before the 'Saint Nicola' moniker was bequeathed and then faltered.
His reasons were that, working on the inside, he had seen first hand how she was two-faced, narcissistic, and would throw others under the bus without a thought - including those in her own party, not for ruthless political expediency (which would be seen as being tough but admirable) but for her own pettiness and self-gratification (see the need to obliterate Alex Salmond's legacy as the peak example).
She was unpopular within her own ranks but it took a decade of power for the RoW to discover why, finally underlined in her sociopathic display on TV on two consecutive election nights. Her reaction to Jo Swinson's loss in 2019 is legend, and her 2024 impassive distancing of herself from an electoral disaster that she was the architect of is her political epitaph.
As Stephen Daisley summarised in his latest piece, Nicola was always "a nasty piece of work".
Edited by Evercross on Sunday 7th July 11:08
said:
As Stephen Daisley summarised in his latest piece, Nicola was always "a nasty piece of work".
Which begs the question of how she rose to the top in the first place. My take on it.Got in early aged 16 before the SNP were the party of power so she was well entrenched by the time the SNP became a destination for those whose aim was power regardless of party.
Knew the right people. Married the party chairman. Was friends (or pretended to be) with big Eck.
Never kept notes.
Had an air of menace so very few in the party would argue with her.
Benefitted from the legacy of decent govt and high poll ratings left after Eck resigned in 2014.
The measure of her competency is that after 10 years in absolute power despite Boris, Brexit, and Covid, she never got any closer to indy than Eck did and had to leave before the posse as the project crashed and burned.
Am I being too judgemental?
Is it a coincidence that both the men closest to her have faced serious criminal charges?
irc said:
said:
As Stephen Daisley summarised in his latest piece, Nicola was always "a nasty piece of work".
Which begs the question of how she rose to the top in the first place. My take on it.Got in early aged 16 before the SNP were the party of power so she was well entrenched by the time the SNP became a destination for those whose aim was power regardless of party.
Knew the right people. Married the party chairman. Was friends (or pretended to be) with big Eck.
Never kept notes.
Had an air of menace so very few in the party would argue with her.
Benefitted from the legacy of decent govt and high poll ratings left after Eck resigned in 2014.
The measure of her competency is that after 10 years in absolute power despite Boris, Brexit, and Covid, she never got any closer to indy than Eck did and had to leave before the posse as the project crashed and burned.
Am I being too judgemental?
irc said:
Is it a coincidence that both the men closest to her have faced serious criminal charges?
I'd say yes - the first set were at her instigation, but despite being an act of perversion of the course of justice can never be tested in court because, although the evidence of her having lied under oath has (briefly) been made public, and the details of the evidence have been written into Hansard thanks David Davis making a speech about it in The Commons under parliamentary privilege, for that evidence to now be served in court would cause the person doing so to themselves be charged with perverting the course of justice (because of Nicola's wilful abuse of laws regarding the protection of the identities of alleged victims of sexual offences, even if it is later proven that the alleged victims themselves lied in court).The second comes down to Murrell being as nasty a piece of work as his "wife".
Edited by Evercross on Sunday 7th July 11:36
Effie looks ahead to 2026 and points out that the stupid PR system which let the SNP game it with Vote SNP 1 and Green on the list works for Yoons now.
For example if Labour are going to win every Glasgow seat near enough they are not getting Glasgow list MPs. So the Yoon tactical vote in Glasgow will be Labour 1 and LibDem or Tory on the list.
https://www.effiedeans.com/2024/07/the-next-task-i...
For example if Labour are going to win every Glasgow seat near enough they are not getting Glasgow list MPs. So the Yoon tactical vote in Glasgow will be Labour 1 and LibDem or Tory on the list.
https://www.effiedeans.com/2024/07/the-next-task-i...
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