Why are you voting Labour? - Another election poll

[valiant]

philv said:

So, had enough of tories = vote for the most left wing government in a generation?

If you think its bad in this country have a look around the world.
Careful what you wish for.
Things wont automatically get better.

'Most left wing'?

Do you remember the Corbyn campaign? Are you saying that Starmer's government will be more left wing than Corbyn's?

I think you political compass needs a reset if that's the case.

So, who will you vote for that can ay least begin to repair the mess of the past 14 years? Do you think the Tories will change from what they have been? Is Farage and his bunch of racists and loons the answer?

No one apart from those degenerating labour and crapping themselves over a labour government thinks things will automatically improve, it's just a crutch those on the right use to say "told you so" when Labour have been in power for a month and not much has happened. The Tories have gutted this country to the extent that it will take at least a parliament to get the ground work down to fixing things.

But yeah, most left wing in a generation...

[hidetheelephants]

Isn't she leaving anyway? I'd vote for a tub of lard if it put her on the dole.

Evercross said:

To ensure one outgoing SNP grifter (the notorious nose-picking “KitKat” consumer Mhanki Black) isn’t replaced by another incoming one.

So, tactical.

[Mr Penguin]

valiant said:

'Most left wing'?

Do you remember the Corbyn campaign? Are you saying that Starmer's government will be more left wing than Corbyn's?

I think you political compass needs a reset if that's the case.

So, who will you vote for that can ay least begin to repair the mess of the past 14 years? Do you think the Tories will change from what they have been? Is Farage and his bunch of racists and loons the answer?

No one apart from those degenerating labour and crapping themselves over a labour government thinks things will automatically improve, it's just a crutch those on the right use to say "told you so" when Labour have been in power for a month and not much has happened. The Tories have gutted this country to the extent that it will take at least a parliament to get the ground work down to fixing things.

But yeah, most left wing in a generation...

Corbyn was never in government

[Timothy Bucktu]

philv said:

So, had enough of tories = vote for the most left wing government in a generation?

If you think its bad in this country have a look around the world.
Careful what you wish for.
Things wont automatically get better.

They won't get better. But we have to have a bit of a reset in the Conservative party, so politics is dragged back into the 'sweet' centre spot. A little bit of Left wing, a dash of Right wing...and things are generally not too bad on the whole.
At the moment, the Conservatives have lost any credibility, and a term or two under Labour should hopefully (not hopeful) make us come out the other side in 5 or 10 years in a better place.
Bear in mind...a lot of <30 year olds were still in secondary school last time we had the pleasure of a Labour government, and probably didn't notice what it was like, or what happened under their watch.
Popcorn at the ready I guess.

[Carl_VivaEspana]

hidetheelephants said:

Carl_VivaEspana said:

As promised a year ago my mail vote went in for :

Challenging, the alternatives would have to be bad to convince me. She's not the sharpest.

it's not ideal but it's the best decision out of a set of even worse decisions.

[CivicDuties]

hidetheelephants said:

CivicDuties said:

CloudStuff said:

Andrea Jenkins, Mark Francois, IR35, kids unable to access dentistry, food banks, covid fraud, Johnson's daughter in the house of lords, partygate, Theresa May trashing the police, the war on farming and farmers, HS2, the shrinking size of the army, tax thresholds, speed limits / cameras / the war on motorists, 20 mph zones, LTNs, class sizes, crap SEN provision, Michael Fabricant, Gavin Williamson, sewage in rivers and seas, Brexit red tape, zero growth, no long term plan, no interest in investment the country, Liz Truss, the trashing of the LSE.

But mainly, Gavin and Andrea. WTAF?

Oh yes, and Matt Hancock - tt

Pretty decent list on the whole, but the bold bit is catergorically untrue. There is a coincidental surname correlation, but it is absolutely a coincidence. The real Lords appointment we should be investigating, in terms of risks to National Security, is Evegeny Lebedev, son of a KGB officer.

Pretty well all lords elevations since the golden deceiver was elected by the UK's largest collection of animated corpses are extremely dubious, from his own brother on down to the barely sentient SPADs ennobled by Truss.

I don't disagree. I'm in favour of an elected upper chamber, or perhaps a hybrid elected/appointed model with appointments made under a system independent of the governing executive, and, of course, an elected, accountable, politically independent Head of State to underpin it. I wish ardently Labour would propose such a thing, however they don't, so I'm out and won't be voting for them.

[Evercross]

hidetheelephants said:

Isn't she leaving anyway? I'd vote for a tub of lard if it put her on the dole.

Evercross said:

To ensure one outgoing SNP grifter (the notorious nose-picking “KitKat” consumer Mhanki Black) isn’t replaced by another incoming one.

So, tactical.

That was my point, although be careful because Mhanki's SNP successor is a bit 'lardy'...

[CivicDuties]

philv said:

So, had enough of tories = vote for the most left wing government in a generation?

Why is this an important measure? In fact, what are the criteria you used in determining this? How long is a generation? Where on the left-right scale does a putative Starmer government actually sit in relation to all other possibilities from furthest right to furthest left? In what way is it demonstrably and empirically going to be worse than the current government, for whom and how?

Without that analysis, and probably other things I've missed, your soundbite in meaningless. It's just another unevidenced Project Fear to shout "left wing, horror!"

[Rivenink]

Mr Penguin said:

valiant said:

'Most left wing'?

Do you remember the Corbyn campaign? Are you saying that Starmer's government will be more left wing than Corbyn's?

I think you political compass needs a reset if that's the case.

So, who will you vote for that can ay least begin to repair the mess of the past 14 years? Do you think the Tories will change from what they have been? Is Farage and his bunch of racists and loons the answer?

No one apart from those degenerating labour and crapping themselves over a labour government thinks things will automatically improve, it's just a crutch those on the right use to say "told you so" when Labour have been in power for a month and not much has happened. The Tories have gutted this country to the extent that it will take at least a parliament to get the ground work down to fixing things.

But yeah, most left wing in a generation...

Corbyn was never in government

And one has to go back to the 70's to find a Labour Government anywhere near as left wing as Corbyn. Which is more than two generations, because that's before millenials were born.

[oyster]

z4RRSchris said:

Tories are corrupt to the core, and a complete waste of space.

voting labour should hopefully wipe them out, so new blood closer to the centre ground will join and make them electable again in 4/8 years.

The right of the party can fk off to reform.

Sort of this.

The right of the party can stay, just as they've always been there. But the Tories need to recognise that they need all wings of the party together to form a functioning, electable government. They need some soft, caring, liberal social policies to go alongside the pro-investment, prudent capitalism.

But most of all - stop being so much in the pockets of the over-65's.

[Wacky Racer]

I have voted Conservative in every election since 1969.

This time Labour gets my vote, I think Angela Rayner will shake things up a bit.

Liz Truss and that idiotic chancellor finally made my mind up.

Farage makes me throw up, just looking at his stupid face.

Bit on the fence with Starmer, but I'm prepared to give him a chance.

[Hoofy]

I thought I was going to be alone in this but it looks like I too selected the green bar. (I'm going on probability here. )

I've actually voted Lib Dems because there's no way that Labour would get in where I live. I know it asks why I'm voting Labour but I'm tactical voting to get Labour in so I feel my vote is relevant.

Oh, in answer to the question - the Tories appear to be pointless and have been for the last few years. They've had a chance and things have only got worse financially. I shouldn't feel the need to donate to my local foodbank. I shouldn't be hearing about people's mortgages going up 50% overnight. Everything seems to be worse than it was say 20 years ago.

Edited by Hoofy on Friday 28th June 10:04

[PositronicRay]

I don't know much about my local labour candidate (well not that local actually) so can't vote for him. Albeit when his Tonyness was king, I was in the prime of life and things seemed to going pretty well (apart from all the sucking up to George Bush)

[F1GTRUeno]

I'm not a right winger. Traditional conservative values don't appeal to me.

I live in a solid Labour seat that'll never ever change so there's little point in voting for anyone else.

The current crop have taken the piss repeatedly in just about every way.

We need a change. Labour are the only realistic option for change.

It really is an 'anyone but Tory' vote due to the way they've been over the past 14 years.

Labour aren't offering anything, Starmer is a blank void and yet they're still a better option than voting Tory.

Edited by F1GTRUeno on Friday 28th June 10:34

[CloudStuff]

Timothy Bucktu said:

They won't get better. But we have to have a bit of a reset in the Conservative party, so politics is dragged back into the 'sweet' centre spot. A little bit of Left wing, a dash of Right wing...and things are generally not too bad on the whole.
At the moment, the Conservatives have lost any credibility, and a term or two under Labour should hopefully (not hopeful) make us come out the other side in 5 or 10 years in a better place.
Bear in mind...a lot of <30 year olds were still in secondary school last time we had the pleasure of a Labour government, and probably didn't notice what it was like, or what happened under their watch.
Popcorn at the ready I guess.

Yes, this. A reset is needed. Once the conservatives have been punished - essentially - a reformed party as an opposition to Labour will be needed. A party which is rational, logical, sane even.

Remember, this current crop of conservative mp’s were selected / championed / retained strictly for their for loyalty to Johnson. Competence, judgement, patriotism, empathy were all nowhere in the equation. That’s why we have people such as Jenkins. Andrea Jenkins ffs.

But now, we will probably have a total Tory meltdown. Hope so.

I don’t think it will be a super majority though. I think it will be tighter than we think. Maybe,

Oh and there's another additon to this list. Grayling. F'ing Grayling. The chaos he injected into the criminal justice system is an absolute disgrace. The privisation of the parole system being one example.

Edited by CloudStuff on Friday 28th June 10:39

[Se7enheaven]

Sad state of affairs where by most of us have to vote for people we grossly dislike / parties and policies we don’t believe in just to get a change of government. Just shows what a st show we have really doesn’t it.

[S600BSB]

oyster said:

Sort of this.

The right of the party can stay, just as they've always been there. But the Tories need to recognise that they need all wings of the party together to form a functioning, electable government. They need some soft, caring, liberal social policies to go alongside the pro-investment, prudent capitalism.

But most of all - stop being so much in the pockets of the over-65's.

It’s not that complicated, is it. The majority of people in this country want policies that are broadly socially liberal and economically conservative. Keep the country safe by adequately funding our armed forces, uphold law and order and govern in a way that is honest (at least most of the time) and actually delivers on those policies.

[CloudStuff]

S600BSB said:

oyster said:

Sort of this.

The right of the party can stay, just as they've always been there. But the Tories need to recognise that they need all wings of the party together to form a functioning, electable government. They need some soft, caring, liberal social policies to go alongside the pro-investment, prudent capitalism.

But most of all - stop being so much in the pockets of the over-65's.

It’s not that complicated, is it. The majority of people in this country want policies that are broadly socially liberal and economically conservative. Keep the country safe by adequately funding our armed forces, uphold law and order and govern in a way that is honest (at least most of the time) and actually delivers on those policies.

My expectaitons are really low now - competence and adherence to the ministerial code (i.e., lie to Parliament? You resign).....those would be amazing building blocks.

[captain_cynic]

CloudStuff said:

My expectaitons are really low now - competence and adherence to the ministerial code (i.e., lie to Parliament? You resign).....those would be amazing building blocks.

Even that seems like a lofty goal given the last 5 years.

But just like Sunak, I'll give Kier a chance. What is obvious is more of the same won't improve anything.

[S600BSB]

CloudStuff said:

S600BSB said:

oyster said:

Sort of this.

The right of the party can stay, just as they've always been there. But the Tories need to recognise that they need all wings of the party together to form a functioning, electable government. They need some soft, caring, liberal social policies to go alongside the pro-investment, prudent capitalism.

But most of all - stop being so much in the pockets of the over-65's.

It’s not that complicated, is it. The majority of people in this country want policies that are broadly socially liberal and economically conservative. Keep the country safe by adequately funding our armed forces, uphold law and order and govern in a way that is honest (at least most of the time) and actually delivers on those policies.

My expectaitons are really low now - competence and adherence to the ministerial code (i.e., lie to Parliament? You resign).....those would be amazing building blocks.

Agree!