What is the Conservative legacy?

[shed driver]

86 said:

Strange for somewhere that people make out is so bad that millions want to come to live here. Friends and relatives tell me it’s grim in France Belgium Germany. European and U.K. economies have zero chance of achieving material growth which means poorer and poorer services going forward no matter who is in power

With all respect, that hasn't really answered the question.

Gay marriage was genuinely transformational, the Covid vaccine roll out again is something to be proud of. Brexit was a once in a generation (or more) change. It's ramifications are for another thread though.

What tangible difference for the better has having a conservative government done for the country.

From where I am, most things are just a lot more tired and dysfunctional than in 2010.

SD.

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bhstewie said:

frisbee said:

A very vocal army of snivelling arse lickers. Who blame everything on labour and/or external factors.

Pretty much this.

I don't know which one is funnier the relentless defence of this lot whilst blaming of the people who were in power fourteen years ago or the sheer panic at the thought that they'll be back in Government shortly.

Problems don't just disappear when a party gets voted out of government.

[LF5335]

119 said:

Problems don't just disappear when a party gets voted out of government.

I doubt you’ll have the same response when someone suggests the Tory mess is taking a while to deal with.

[SS427 Camaro]

[lrdisco]

How much potentially better would we have been if David Milliband had led Labour against Cameron.

No Brexit disaster.
No austerity.
No where near as much political tribalism.
The country would be in so much a better position than we find ourselves in.

[Gecko1978]

Higher income tax
Failed Brexit negotiations
Destroyed small busiess (ir35)
Admitted green goals were a lie
Lined pockets of friends while people died during a pandemic
Cameron>May>Johnson>Truss>Sunak all universally disliked

[Rufus Stone]

I honestly cannot think of a single thing that is better now than when the Tories came to power in 2010.

[gt_12345]

konark said:

There's over 50 times as many food banks now compared to 2010, so at least there's some growth in the economy!

Isn't that because we've got more selfish fkers saving their money for the latest iPhone?

[gt_12345]

cheesejunkie said:

konark said:

There's over 50 times as many food banks now compared to 2010, so at least there's some growth in the economy!

Good one. One of many legacies. Homeless figures are also up. Child poverty figures are also up. The court system's ability to process cases has been decimated despite the rhetoric on being hard on crime. The NHS is screwed. Educational facilities are struggling unless they're privately funded of course. Private health care is doing very well thank you very much. Councils are going bankrupt due to Osborne passing the buck to them and leaving them stranded.

The legacy will be destruction of public services, Osborne planned it. It's coming to fruition. If you voted tory you voted for this. Tough st. Suck it up. I'm alright but I'd never have voted for the bds. (I don't really think tough st, but there's a big part of me thinks why should I care about you if you're stupid enough to vote for them).

There are many more examples of how the tories are destructive to basic public services.

But what are you going to do about it? Moaning on the internet or vote?

There's a world of people who never read the internet who vote. There's a world of people who like to complain who don't vote.

ETA, guess which group's more effective.

Edited by cheesejunkie on Saturday 13th January 06:32

NHS budget has increases every year since 2015, so surely the NHS messed-up the NHS?

[gt_12345]

cheesejunkie said:

119 said:

What do they have to gain, by destroying public services etc?

Private company replacements at higher expense to all and board positions for politicians on companies.. I won't name names but I can think of a few who are doing quite well there.

Ideologically hating that there's a big bucket of government funding not available to private companies without understanding that the private company will cut costs by providing a lower level of service.

Ideologically not understanding how street lights are kept lit and the advantages of a better lit street rather than carrying a personal light.

I don't think they're out to destroy public services. I just think some's belief in private enterprise being able to sustain them is compromised.

ETA, the fact is they have destroyed them. It's not for me to wonder why and having given you my opinion what's your's?. What do you think they have to gain by destroying public services? "etc"

Edited by cheesejunkie on Saturday 13th January 07:20

Edited by cheesejunkie on Saturday 13th January 07:30

You seem to want to spend more money.

Where's it coming from?

[LF5335]

gt_12345 said:

NHS budget has increases every year since 2015, so surely the NHS messed-up the NHS?

Without arguing the specifics of the NHS, which would open up Pandora’s Box, there are several hundred other public services that have been trashed too. National government is responsible for most of them.

[gt_12345]

SS427 Camaro said:

Why is that the Government's fault?

Surely private means no Government interference?

[gt_12345]

lrdisco said:

How much potentially better would we have been if David Milliband had led Labour against Cameron.

No Brexit disaster.
No austerity.
No where near as much political tribalism.
The country would be in so much a better position than we find ourselves in.

Why was Brexit a disaster? As in, what would have been different?

[captain_cynic]

I'm a big believer in the saying "never ascribe to malice what can easily be explained by stupidity"...

The Tories have got to the point where stupidity is struggling to explain their actions.

[LF5335]

gt_12345 said:

You seem to want to spend more money.

Where's it coming from?

Better use of public funds would be a good start. The tax take is higher than it has ever been.

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-12-11/uks-tax-burden...

Your defence of this stshow is very much misplaced.

[gt_12345]

LF5335 said:

gt_12345 said:

NHS budget has increases every year since 2015, so surely the NHS messed-up the NHS?

Without arguing the specifics of the NHS, which would open up Pandora’s Box, there are several hundred other public services that have been trashed too. National government is responsible for most of them.

My point was perhaps the problem is the Civil Service, rather than the Governent.

I'm currently dealing with a Government department and it's taken them 2+ months to do something pretty trivial.

[gt_12345]

LF5335 said:

gt_12345 said:

You seem to want to spend more money.

Where's it coming from?

Better use of public funds would be a good start. The tax take is higher than it has ever been.

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-12-11/uks-tax-burden...

Your defence of this stshow is very much misplaced.

I'm not a fan of the Tories, I just don't see how they can be blamed for everything.

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gt_12345 said:

SS427 Camaro said:

Why is that the Government's fault?

Surely private means no Government interference?

From what i can make out, it is because the tories are 'against' landlords, making it harder to evict a tenant, which is completely opposite to what that post is claiming.

[gt_12345]

119 said:

gt_12345 said:

SS427 Camaro said:

Why is that the Government's fault?

Surely private means no Government interference?

From what i can make out, it is because the tories are 'against' landlords, making it harder to evict a tenant, which is completely opposite to what that post is claiming.

Now I'm really confused...

[Wombat3]

LF5335 said:

gt_12345 said:

You seem to want to spend more money.

Where's it coming from?

Better use of public funds would be a good start. The tax take is higher than it has ever been.

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-12-11/uks-tax-burden...

Your defence of this stshow is very much misplaced.

As is laying all the world's ills at their door.