Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

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Evercross

6,606 posts

79 months

Thursday 27th June 2024
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irc said:
Thatcher was out of power half a lifetime ago. Half the population were not born when she was in power. Can we go back a bit further and hand some of the blame to Pitt the younger?
Surely Swinney should be blaming Blair and Brown rather than Thatcher, assuming he's got even a grain of political nous in the midst of an election campaign where Labour are clearly out in front and about to steal the SNP's lunch?

But then political nous has always been scarce in the SNP since Salmond was memory-holed.

irc

8,865 posts

151 months

Thursday 27th June 2024
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Tax refund today. Yes! How much? £15.74 Boo!

On the other hand my statement shows despite earning several £k past £43 I only paid the 42% SNP envy/greed tax on £171 of income. I made a pension contribution a couple of months before the end of the tax year so only had an estimate of the final total but got close enough.

I will need to add a few quid to my tax refund to buy something suitable to toast the loud clang of SNP seats falling on 5th July.

Slight thread drift.News that many postal votes will arrive too late. I know my opinion here is not popular but I believe unless you are unavoidably away from home or too disabled to walk you should go to your local polling place to vote.

Even when I was doing a job where I was on duty at polling place all day on election days (before widespread postal votes) my employer ensured that everyone who wanted it got a break long enough to go and vote.

Just trying to think how many times I have done it since old enough to vote in 1979.

11 for UK parliament. 1979, 1983, 1987, 1992, 1997, 2001, 2005, 2010, 2015, 2017 ,2019

6 for Scottish parliament 1999, 2003, 2007, 2011, 2016, 2021

13 Local or regional elections

5 European parliament

Finally I have voted in 6 referendums and been on the winning side every time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Scotlan...

So 41 times I have walked down to my local school and placed an X in a box.

alangla

5,630 posts

196 months

Thursday 27th June 2024
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irc said:
Slight thread drift.News that many postal votes will arrive too late. I know my opinion here is not popular but I believe unless you are unavoidably away from home or too disabled to walk you should go to your local polling place to vote.
One might suggest that the UK Government (ie the clown who couldn’t comply with his own legislation at the council elections) introducing voter ID has perhaps made postal voting even more attractive than before and, combined with the schools being off & loads of people on holiday, has resulted in a significant surge in demand. FWIW, I agree with you that postal voting should be the exception but Blair disagreed, so we are where we are. Apparently voter ID isn’t required for Holyrood or Scottish council elections.

technodup

7,607 posts

145 months

Thursday 27th June 2024
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irc said:
Finally I have voted in 6 referendums and been on the winning side every time.

Including the devolution one?

It's all your fault.

StescoG66

2,320 posts

158 months

Thursday 27th June 2024
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Mercdriver said:
biggbn said:
Hey EV, as you know I'm pro independence and none of the above. There are a few of us you know? Detest the SNP though!
I was too, thought we could be better managed in Scotland, how wrong I was, all they had to do was make life better for the majority, failed miserably all down to Sturgeon she blew independence out of the water.

Just do not think we have the politicians in Scotland that are up to the task of running an independent country. Not just SNP, none of them sparkle.

Speaking of not being up to the task what are the chances of these two Green chancers sneaking in the back door again?
Add me to your group. I too thought (mistakenly) “Here’s a breath of fresh air. Here’s a chance to shine, control our own affairs, prove to the world etc etc”

Christ you have no idea how much I regret that choice. The guilt at my small contribution to the stshow we now find ourselves in is immeasurable. I cannot apologise enough to my fellow countrymen..... SNP! Never again. Ever. For as long as I draw oxygen. Never. Ever. again.

irc

8,865 posts

151 months

Thursday 27th June 2024
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technodup said:
irc said:
Finally I have voted in 6 referendums and been on the winning side every time.

Including the devolution one?

It's all your fault.
I thoght it was a good idea. I was wrong. I would vote differently if I could go back in a time machine.

CoolHands

20,705 posts

210 months

Thursday 27th June 2024
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irc said:
So 41 times I have walked down to my local school and placed an X in a box.
And what good did it do?! Busy work

J6542

2,691 posts

59 months

Thursday 27th June 2024
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irc said:
Tax refund today. Yes! How much? £15.74 Boo!

On the other hand my statement shows despite earning several £k past £43 I only paid the 42% SNP envy/greed tax on £171 of income. I made a pension contribution a couple of months before the end of the tax year so only had an estimate of the final total but got close enough.

I will need to add a few quid to my tax refund to buy something suitable to toast the loud clang of SNP seats falling on 5th July.

Slight thread drift.News that many postal votes will arrive too late. I know my opinion here is not popular but I believe unless you are unavoidably away from home or too disabled to walk you should go to your local polling place to vote.

Even when I was doing a job where I was on duty at polling place all day on election days (before widespread postal votes) my employer ensured that everyone who wanted it got a break long enough to go and vote.

Just trying to think how many times I have done it since old enough to vote in 1979.

11 for UK parliament. 1979, 1983, 1987, 1992, 1997, 2001, 2005, 2010, 2015, 2017 ,2019

6 for Scottish parliament 1999, 2003, 2007, 2011, 2016, 2021

13 Local or regional elections

5 European parliament

Finally I have voted in 6 referendums and been on the winning side every time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Scotlan...

So 41 times I have walked down to my local school and placed an X in a box.
I have only ever voted once and that was No in the independence referendum. Never bothered before or since and likely never will.

irc

8,865 posts

151 months

Friday 28th June 2024
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CoolHands said:
irc said:
So 41 times I have walked down to my local school and placed an X in a box.
And what good did it do?! Busy work
It's not perfect but if you don't vote then don't complain about who gets elected.

ScotHill

3,688 posts

124 months

Friday 28th June 2024
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irc said:
Slight thread drift.News that many postal votes will arrive too late. I know my opinion here is not popular but I believe unless you are unavoidably away from home or too disabled to walk you should go to your local polling place to vote.
Don't schedule an election in the school holidays then; it's pretty clear that England wouldn't have stood for an August election.

Jambo85

3,447 posts

103 months

Friday 28th June 2024
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ScotHill said:
irc said:
Slight thread drift.News that many postal votes will arrive too late. I know my opinion here is not popular but I believe unless you are unavoidably away from home or too disabled to walk you should go to your local polling place to vote.
Don't schedule an election in the school holidays then; it's pretty clear that England wouldn't have stood for an August election.
Quite. The whole thing needs moved online in any case, would massively improve turnout and reduce cost.

sherman

14,383 posts

230 months

Friday 28th June 2024
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ScotHill said:
irc said:
Slight thread drift.News that many postal votes will arrive too late. I know my opinion here is not popular but I believe unless you are unavoidably away from home or too disabled to walk you should go to your local polling place to vote.
Don't schedule an election in the school holidays then; it's pretty clear that England wouldn't have stood for an August election.
Is it maybe a tory agenda as most people taking the trades holidays at the start of the school holidays are generally Labour/SNP/Green voters.

ScotHill

3,688 posts

124 months

Friday 28th June 2024
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sherman said:
Is it maybe a tory agenda as most people taking the trades holidays at the start of the school holidays are generally Labour/SNP/Green voters.
I don't even think they thought twice about it, and if they did they probably didn't give a fk because Scotland. Plenty of middle class people we know are already jetting abroad for their holidays and may not have received a postal vote. We got ours about a week ago although we've been registered for them for years.

sherman

14,383 posts

230 months

Friday 28th June 2024
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ScotHill said:
sherman said:
Is it maybe a tory agenda as most people taking the trades holidays at the start of the school holidays are generally Labour/SNP/Green voters.
I don't even think they thought twice about it, and if they did they probably didn't give a fk because Scotland. Plenty of middle class people we know are already jetting abroad for their holidays and may not have received a postal vote. We got ours about a week ago although we've been registered for them for years.
The middle class vote left too. Teachers etc.
All the Lothian councils finish school today for instance.

cuprabob

16,652 posts

229 months

Friday 28th June 2024
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They chose the 4th July as that was the date the bookies gave the best odds for and thus the highest return. smile

No issue with postal vote here, it arrived last Saturday.

hidetheelephants

30,136 posts

208 months

Friday 28th June 2024
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ScotHill said:
I don't even think they thought twice about it, and if they did they probably didn't give a fk because Scotland. Plenty of middle class people we know are already jetting abroad for their holidays and may not have received a postal vote. We got ours about a week ago although we've been registered for them for years.
I get the impression it's not even contempt for Scotland, it's just No.10 doesn't have anyone capable of thinking outside of SW1. Pure ignorance.

dxg

9,361 posts

275 months

Friday 28th June 2024
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Anyone heard that Sturgeon has apparently got herself a nice news presenter job with ITV?

I'll try to find a source when I have a moment later...

hidetheelephants

30,136 posts

208 months

Friday 28th June 2024
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dxg said:
Anyone heard that Sturgeon has apparently got herself a nice news presenter job with ITV?

I'll try to find a source when I have a moment later...
Said so in the Herald yesterday, it figures as she's always had more front than Brighton.

irc

8,865 posts

151 months

Friday 28th June 2024
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Only a one off pundit job for STV on election night. I usually watch BBC but may take a look to see her excuses as SNP seats fall

Obviously she will blame the ferry fiasco and her failures education and infrastructure along with the massive divisive gender politics.

Only kidding. She will blame voters for being ‘misogynist, homophobic, possibly racist’ .

cuprabob

16,652 posts

229 months

Friday 28th June 2024
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dxg said:
Anyone heard that Sturgeon has apparently got herself a nice news presenter job with ITV?

I'll try to find a source when I have a moment later...
Yes, it was announced and mentioned on this thread a couple of weeks ago she's going to be a pundit on election night.