Private schools, times a changing?
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Jacqui Smith in the For the Many Podcast is the relevant minister and she's made crystal clear she's going after private schools. 
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BikeBikeBIke said:
Jacqui Smith in the For the Many Podcast is the relevant minister and she's made crystal clear she's going after private schools.
https://dax.captivate.fm/e7b32ff9-de9d-4455-8307-f...
31 minutes in.
Didn't we have to pay for Jacqui Smith's porn subscriptions?https://dax.captivate.fm/e7b32ff9-de9d-4455-8307-f...
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mikey_b said:
Tonbridge’s facilities are excellent - the school is very close to me. During the 2012 Olympics the Aussie athletics team were based in the town using those facilities as their base.
They open their doors for local primary schools to each go in a couple of days a year, to do fun learning stuff like set fire to things in the science labs, do archery and swimming in the enormous and first class sports facilities, and put on productions in their theatre. It will be interesting to see if these sorts of things carry on if the VAT thing comes in. I hope so, my daughters absolutely loved it when it was their school’s time to go in.
I don’t think the VAT rise will directly stop schools like Tonbridge opening their doors to local children but there will now be pressure on these schools to maximise how much they can earn from their facilities. Visiting kids may still get access to classrooms and theatre the swimming pool might be getting rented out.They open their doors for local primary schools to each go in a couple of days a year, to do fun learning stuff like set fire to things in the science labs, do archery and swimming in the enormous and first class sports facilities, and put on productions in their theatre. It will be interesting to see if these sorts of things carry on if the VAT thing comes in. I hope so, my daughters absolutely loved it when it was their school’s time to go in.
RosscoPCole said:
If I understand correctly, the money raised from introducing VAT to private school fees is going to pay for 6,500 new teachers in the state sector.
That's all well and good, but where are they going to find 6,500 extra people willing to be trained as a teacher?
There are almost half a million teachers and around 40-50k recruited each year. It is a big pool already, all they have to do is retain some that leave and that quickly amounts to an additional 6,500 teachers. That's all well and good, but where are they going to find 6,500 extra people willing to be trained as a teacher?
pheonix478 said:
pghstochaj said:
There are almost half a million teachers and around 40-50k recruited each year. It is a big pool already, all they have to do is retain some that leave and that quickly amounts to an additional 6,500 teachers.
It's one extra teacher for every 5 schools... 
Having worked in schools and been married to a teacher, the one single thing that would retain teachers is less contact time per week, so you can get the non-teaching part of your job done within reasonable hours and not have to spend 1-2 hours each evening and 3-4 hours each weekend catching up on all the other stuff you have to do. Throwing money at pay rises only goes so far, even disruptive behaviour is bearable when you have some breathing space. Mrs Hill gets more stress from the other teachers than from her pupils!
ScotHill said:
Having worked in schools and been married to a teacher, the one single thing that would retain teachers is less contact time per week, so you can get the non-teaching part of your job done within reasonable hours and not have to spend 1-2 hours each evening and 3-4 hours each weekend catching up on all the other stuff you have to do. Throwing money at pay rises only goes so far, even disruptive behaviour is bearable when you have some breathing space. Mrs Hill gets more stress from the other teachers than from her pupils!
Young teachers leave because they want a job where they can work from home like all their friends do and get a couple of days off to go to a wedding etc.dimots said:
Same. Teachers are generally amazing with a few exceptions who typically don't last too long.
Teachers always say teachers are excellent. Parents and their students usually do not. Nor do those who have interactions with members of the profession elsewhere. It is extremely clear that the industry is blighted with an enormous number of slackers, incompetents and plain idiots and that getting rid of them once spotted is extremely difficult.
And because there is a shortage of teachers it exacerbates the issue along with the excessive burden upon all the good teachers constantly weighed down having to cover for the losers.
And they're always whinging, whinging, whinging about how it's all everyone else's fault and are we expected to believe that they magically leave that miserable and childish attitude at the school gates?
Again, this all links back to appeasement and protections of the weak and bad and how over decades it has just eaten into the core of the education system like a cancer. From meritless promotions into unsuitable positions of authority such as weak and failed heads to teachers just not bothering to maintain any class focus.
Like any industry those inside have a habit of being in complete denial and blaming the wrong causes but it is interesting that the pupils tell more truth and many teachers only start admitting the abject failure and negligence of other teachers once they have left.
The problems of the school system lie at the feet of the adults within the school system. Whether that is a tiny number or a large percentage that is doing the damage, who knows but however many of them there are they are the root cause of the failures. Not the children. Not the gubberment. Just bad adults.
DonkeyApple said:
Teachers always say teachers are excellent. Parents and their students usually do not. Nor do those who have interactions with members of the profession elsewhere.
It is extremely clear that the industry is blighted with an enormous number of slackers, incompetents and plain idiots and that getting rid of them once spotted is extremely difficult.
And because there is a shortage of teachers it exacerbates the issue along with the excessive burden upon all the good teachers constantly weighed down having to cover for the losers.
And they're always whinging, whinging, whinging about how it's all everyone else's fault and are we expected to believe that they magically leave that miserable and childish attitude at the school gates?
Again, this all links back to appeasement and protections of the weak and bad and how over decades it has just eaten into the core of the education system like a cancer. From meritless promotions into unsuitable positions of authority such as weak and failed heads to teachers just not bothering to maintain any class focus.
Like any industry those inside have a habit of being in complete denial and blaming the wrong causes but it is interesting that the pupils tell more truth and many teachers only start admitting the abject failure and negligence of other teachers once they have left.
The problems of the school system lie at the feet of the adults within the school system. Whether that is a tiny number or a large percentage that is doing the damage, who knows but however many of them there are they are the root cause of the failures. Not the children. Not the gubberment. Just bad adults.
Hey Chatgpt write me a few paragraphs of drivel about teaching. Make sure it contains no facts, is full of Hyperbole and is trollish enough to ensure responses.It is extremely clear that the industry is blighted with an enormous number of slackers, incompetents and plain idiots and that getting rid of them once spotted is extremely difficult.
And because there is a shortage of teachers it exacerbates the issue along with the excessive burden upon all the good teachers constantly weighed down having to cover for the losers.
And they're always whinging, whinging, whinging about how it's all everyone else's fault and are we expected to believe that they magically leave that miserable and childish attitude at the school gates?
Again, this all links back to appeasement and protections of the weak and bad and how over decades it has just eaten into the core of the education system like a cancer. From meritless promotions into unsuitable positions of authority such as weak and failed heads to teachers just not bothering to maintain any class focus.
Like any industry those inside have a habit of being in complete denial and blaming the wrong causes but it is interesting that the pupils tell more truth and many teachers only start admitting the abject failure and negligence of other teachers once they have left.
The problems of the school system lie at the feet of the adults within the school system. Whether that is a tiny number or a large percentage that is doing the damage, who knows but however many of them there are they are the root cause of the failures. Not the children. Not the gubberment. Just bad adults.
DonkeyApple said:
dimots said:
Same. Teachers are generally amazing with a few exceptions who typically don't last too long.
Teachers always say teachers are excellent. Parents and their students usually do not. Nor do those who have interactions with members of the profession elsewhere. It is extremely clear that the industry is blighted with an enormous number of slackers, incompetents and plain idiots and that getting rid of them once spotted is extremely difficult.
And because there is a shortage of teachers it exacerbates the issue along with the excessive burden upon all the good teachers constantly weighed down having to cover for the losers.
And they're always whinging, whinging, whinging about how it's all everyone else's fault and are we expected to believe that they magically leave that miserable and childish attitude at the school gates?
Again, this all links back to appeasement and protections of the weak and bad and how over decades it has just eaten into the core of the education system like a cancer. From meritless promotions into unsuitable positions of authority such as weak and failed heads to teachers just not bothering to maintain any class focus.
Like any industry those inside have a habit of being in complete denial and blaming the wrong causes but it is interesting that the pupils tell more truth and many teachers only start admitting the abject failure and negligence of other teachers once they have left.
The problems of the school system lie at the feet of the adults within the school system. Whether that is a tiny number or a large percentage that is doing the damage, who knows but however many of them there are they are the root cause of the failures. Not the children. Not the gubberment. Just bad adults.
You will hope to shape young minds and make a difference but will often be faced with rather than imparting learning but being a parent and that is not what you signed on for.
In private sector we as parents agree to participate in school life and support academic ethos. Now it's not exactly set in stone you will do homework with kids but it is there when you sign the fees and contract forms you agree to get with the program.
That makes a huge difference. If as a parent you want your kids to do well you take an interest. It must be soul destroying seeing your child in an environment where other students don't care neither do thier parents. Money won't fix that
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