Private schools, times a changing?

[Zaichik]

numtumfutunch said:

If you think a degree in origami from the university of Fullchester gives the same privilege as an education at Winchester College then I want a pint of whatever you are drinking

Cheers

of course it doesn't and attending a private school doesn't mean you are in some kind of old boys network that automatically gets you into top jobs.
I attended a private boarding school (fully paid for by UK taxpayers) and asides from giving me an reasonable education with good facilities it mainly just meant I didnt have to go to school in the 80s in places like the Soviet Union, West Africa and Afghanistan - though I was able to enjoy all of these in the school holidays and collect some souvenirs such as malaria, disentry and becoming mildly radioactive for a period of time.

Getting to university still took the same O and A levels and beyond university, the school I went to never made a blind bit of difference.

[TUS373]

Good point. There's a big number of kids in private education who's parents are in the armed forces. The parents are based all over the world and kids board. Will the VAT apply to the whole school bill or just the education element? Either way, big bills coming for those in the forces or the forces themselves if they sub it.

[borcy]

TUS373 said:

Good point. There's a big number of kids in private education who's parents are in the armed forces. The parents are based all over the world and kids board. Will the VAT apply to the whole school bill or just the education element? Either way, big bills coming for those in the forces or the forces themselves if they sub it.

Not a particularly big bill, there's not many forces kids in boarding. Vat it'll be maybe £15m more on the MoDs bill.

[TUS373]

Assuming MOD pick up the bill for those serving if course. Then if extra funding is put into defence, some of that comes back into VAT for education.

[borcy]

TUS373 said:

Assuming MOD pick up the bill for those serving if course. Then if extra funding is put into defence, some of that comes back into VAT for education.

They do yes, well 90% of the bill.

[TownIdiot]

If the MOD are paying it will not matter.

[DonkeyApple]

TUS373 said:

The current mood of the country is to protect feelings of various groups and generate respect for them. Except when it comes to 'rich kids' who are 'privileged' it seems.

I think there is a real hate that has brewed within the consumer society after nearly two decades of people just watching fantasy lifestyles online or on television. People have become more divorced from reality than ever before. Add to that this new and voluntary underclass of the conspiracy theorist and there just seem to be so many rage filled people who blame anyone based on what objects/lifestyle they perceive.

They've been told for years that they were being oppressed, first by the EU, then by bankers, next it was immigrants then 'mainstream media' just one bogie man after another allegedly oppressing the masses. And these particular folks who wouldn't know the meaning of poverty or oppression and who don't give a single crap about those in society genuinely struggling and in need of help are just frothing because they want more objects in exchange for doing less work. The new affluent underclass who are demanding the things that should be going to the less fortunate while blaming anyone they deem more fortunate.

These are the people you eventually see shouting at people's children because of their illness.

[Tom8]

borcy said:

TUS373 said:

Good point. There's a big number of kids in private education who's parents are in the armed forces. The parents are based all over the world and kids board. Will the VAT apply to the whole school bill or just the education element? Either way, big bills coming for those in the forces or the forces themselves if they sub it.

Not a particularly big bill, there's not many forces kids in boarding. Vat it'll be maybe £15m more on the MoDs bill.

Really? I know several myself, all with two kids or more all boarding and that is just me. Funny, when posted overseas, you need boarding for the kids.

[z4RRSchris]

at the school i went to was prob 15-20 in each year with forces parents. so 25% of the kids.

[soxboy]

The majority of UK kids at my wife’s school are forces.

Overall pupil split 50:50 UK and foreign (Chinese/ Thai/ Philippines and Russian but of course not actually Russian).

[TUS373]

Interesting. So Force's kids have to board, and most boarding schools are private. Take a family where parents are deployed overseas. May be a family with 2 or 3 kids. Parents are unlikely to get a pay rise to cover the additional cost from application of VAT. So....sounds like the Forces will have to pick up the tab. That requires extra funding of the military that is immediately creamed off as tax. Brilliant plan huh?

[TUS373]

Let's not forget though.....education is a luxury no?

[TownIdiot]

TUS373 said:

Interesting. So Force's kids have to board, and most boarding schools are private. Take a family where parents are deployed overseas. May be a family with 2 or 3 kids. Parents are unlikely to get a pay rise to cover the additional cost from application of VAT. So....sounds like the Forces will have to pick up the tab. That requires extra funding of the military that is immediately creamed off as tax. Brilliant plan huh?

Force's kids don't "have" to board. It's a choice.

And if the government are paying the fees then it doesn't really make any difference.

[TUS373]

But a lot do board. I don't really know what the alternative is.

There's so much sentiment of stick it to the rich, private education is a luxury. I would say not so...Force's kids being part of that evidence.

If the government are paying for it....well....they will be claiming an increase on spending on defence. A portion of that though is just getting circulated back.

[borcy]

Tom8 said:

borcy said:

TUS373 said:

Good point. There's a big number of kids in private education who's parents are in the armed forces. The parents are based all over the world and kids board. Will the VAT apply to the whole school bill or just the education element? Either way, big bills coming for those in the forces or the forces themselves if they sub it.

Not a particularly big bill, there's not many forces kids in boarding. Vat it'll be maybe £15m more on the MoDs bill.

Really? I know several myself, all with two kids or more all boarding and that is just me. Funny, when posted overseas, you need boarding for the kids.

No not that many. It's been falling for years. I think this year it's under 4000, inc day and boarders. Used to a lot more not that many years ago. It'll probably keep falling as well for various reasons. Perhaps private schooling used to rely on forces kids in the past, now it's probably less than 1%.

You do need it sometimes but not always when posted overseas. I've known plenty take their kids when posted overseas

[TownIdiot]

TUS373 said:

But a lot do board. I don't really know what the alternative is.

There's so much sentiment of stick it to the rich, private education is a luxury. I would say not so...Force's kids being part of that evidence.

If the government are paying for it....well....they will be claiming an increase on spending on defence. A portion of that though is just getting circulated back.

Alternative is take the kids with you or the non posted parent looks after them.
It's not really rocket science.

[ClaphamGT3]

TownIdiot said:

Alternative is take the kids with you or the non posted parent looks after them.
It's not really rocket science.

Depending on postings, you have to move your kids to different schools three or four times including, potentially, during important exam years whereas settling them in a boarding school gives them stability.

Most married couples like living together - it's kind of the point of marriage.

It's not really rocket science

[TownIdiot]

ClaphamGT3 said:

Depending on postings, you have to move your kids to different schools three or four times including, potentially, during important exam years whereas settling them in a boarding school gives them stability.

Most married couples like living together - it's kind of the point of marriage.

It's not really rocket science

It seems pretty unlikely that any vat will impact those in the armed forces, as most of it will be paid for by the government.

[GT03ROB]

TownIdiot said:

It seems pretty unlikely that any vat will impact those in the armed forces, as most of it will be paid for by the government.

So between this & additional costs for state education, this really isn't raising much is it.

Best Labour just call this for what it is. Ideological & envy politics.

[borcy]

GT03ROB said:

TownIdiot said:

It seems pretty unlikely that any vat will impact those in the armed forces, as most of it will be paid for by the government.

So between this & additional costs for state education, this really isn't raising much is it.

Best Labour just call this for what it is. Ideological & envy politics.

No one really knows. Like all future policies for each report saying it's the best thing since sliced bread you can find another report saying it'll be a disaster.