Junior Doctors' Pay Claim Poll

[S600BSB]

Mr Penguin said:

More strikes planned for winter unless Streeting gives in

Hopefully Wes will be able enough to negotiate with the JDC to find a solution to end the strike. Unlike his feeble Tory predecessors.

[carlo996]

12% STFU, get back into reality and do your job. Simple.

[FiF]

carlo996 said:

12% STFU, get back into reality and do your job. Simple.

This. I'd even go to 15%.

Plus PH mods to resurrect the "punch in the face" thread purely for inclusion of Laurenson. (joke)

[98elise]

djc206 said:

272BHP said:

pavarotti1980 said:

Evanivitch said:

Did I dream about the massive vaccine centres in every town?

You must have yeah

Lots of GPs were doing the jabs as well, this is well known.

My GP surgery was but they got the cheaper staff to do the actual jabbing if memory serves. They were funny about face to face appointments but I reckon getting a telephone or FaceTime appointment became a lot easier. Forcing GP’s to adopt technology and offer remote consultations was one of the few benefits of Covid.

Same here. Ours were done at our GP surgery but it wasn't the GP doing it.

Like you we still had access to our GP but intial contact was electronic. I found it better because I didn't need to get an appointment first.

[S600BSB]

FiF said:

carlo996 said:

12% STFU, get back into reality and do your job. Simple.

This. I'd even go to 15%.

Plus PH mods to resurrect the "punch in the face" thread purely for inclusion of Laurenson. (joke)

Probably the right ball park. But it’s not just about salary - need to put together a package to improve JDs’ working lives.

[Vanden Saab]

Bloody hell

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/24/doctor...

link said:

Doctors fear the British Medical Association’s annual meeting is becoming “a vehicle for Jew hatred” as union factions called for action against Israel. Around 30, or one in 10 motions, which are policy proposals that doctors vote on and the union adopts if passed, had to be removed from debates on legal grounds because they related to the Israel and Palestine conflict, and “risked being perceived as discriminatory, more specifically, anti-Semitic”.

[272BHP]

Vanden Saab said:

Bloody hell

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/24/doctor...

link said:

Doctors fear the British Medical Association’s annual meeting is becoming “a vehicle for Jew hatred” as union factions called for action against Israel. Around 30, or one in 10 motions, which are policy proposals that doctors vote on and the union adopts if passed, had to be removed from debates on legal grounds because they related to the Israel and Palestine conflict, and “risked being perceived as discriminatory, more specifically, anti-Semitic”.

"The BMA represents, supports and negotiates on behalf of all UK doctors and medical students. We are member-run and led, fighting for the best terms and conditions as well as lobbying and campaigning on the issues impacting the medical profession"

How the juddery fk is the Israel situation impacting on them?

[Dixy]

Oh look 272 a political football you can spot to kick around and deflect from the real topic of the country failing to recognise the contribution and sacrifice made by JDs

[irc]

Dixy said:

Oh look 272 a political football you can spot to kick around and deflect from the real topic of the country failing to recognise the contribution and sacrifice made by JDs

Surely the deflection is the medics pontificating on Israel rather than medical or employment matters.

[272BHP]

Dixy said:

Oh look 272 a political football you can spot to kick around and deflect from the real topic of the country failing to recognise the contribution and sacrifice made by JDs

A football I will kick all day happily.

Preferably in the face of militant JDs like this.

[Gary C]

272BHP said:

Dixy said:

Oh look 272 a political football you can spot to kick around and deflect from the real topic of the country failing to recognise the contribution and sacrifice made by JDs

A football I will kick all day happily.

Preferably in the face of militant JDs like this.

Agreed

why do JD's think they are so special ?

Not the only people that worked all the way though a Pandemic, keeping the country running, not the only people who have seen their pay not keep up with inflation.

They deserve a good pay rise, but holding the country to ransom with a loony left agenda ?

fk off.

[/Grump mode]

[Dixy]

Do remember to tell them this as you arrive in ED with a heart attack.

[Dixy]

irc said:

Surely the deflection is the medics pontificating on Israel rather than medical or employment matters.

Perhaps Hezbollah, Israel and Putin committing genocide has medical and employment consequences in the UK.
I doubt the JDs care if they are Jewish.

[borcy]

Perhaps that's why the waiting lists are so long, it's putin, hezbollah and the state of Israel.

[carlo996]

Dixy said:

Do remember to tell them this as you arrive in ED with a heart attack.

Amazingly.....that's their job.

[272BHP]

Dixy said:

Do remember to tell them this as you arrive in ED with a heart attack.

They probably wouldn't be there.

More likely to be decorating their lanyard with another badge on the picket line.

[Dixy]

carlo996 said:

Amazingly.....that's their job.

That we fail to reward them for appropriately.

[Dixy]

272BHP said:

They probably wouldn't be there.

This you know is never the case, but why let facts stop you from spouting nonsense.

[Gary C]

Dixy said:

Do remember to tell them this as you arrive in ED with a heart attack.

Maybe it would be from working just as hard through Covid without all the mindless adoration and pot banging ?

and having just a big a pay drop ?

If it wasn't for us, no hospital would operate, no industry would operate, the whole country would be on its knees

I do agree JD's deserve a reasonably good pay rise.

but to DEMAND pay restoration is so incredibly selfish and the actions of their union smacks of politics rather than genuinely defending their members interests.

[spaximus]

A lot of the Doctors forums have been taken over by supporters of Palestine who are unwilling to accept that it is nothing to do with them. It is not surprising as there are so many of certain religion working as Dr's and this subject is important to them.

There are many other views but there is a pile on if anyone expresses an alternative view to the popular one at the present, so I can understand Jewish Dr's raising this as an issue.

Why those who have tabled these motions think it will make any difference at all to what is happening over there is beyond me but it is their right to table these and many other motions.

This is a side show to the main issue and that is how we get Dr's who are increasingly angry as government has refused to negotiate or offer what the Scottish Dr's got and Wales is still awaiting a decision.

I thought all along that the Tories were kicking the can down the road to give Labour the problem and the union has thrown down the gauntlet so Labour do not think the issue will magically disappear. Many thought this was about the BMA trying to bring down the government, sadly they needed no help from the BMA to do that.

It is not all about pay as has been said repeatedly but going some way as in Scotland to reverse the massive drop in real wages for some would have had this sorted months ago.

It will be interesting to see what they will come up with as Labour need the Dr's on side and to stop then leaving otherwise Starmers commitment to bring down waiting lists quickly will be his first fall