Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
hidetheelephants said:
Ascayman said:
So kids both private and state being disadvantaged are just collateral damage so you can laugh at the ‘pear clutchers’ whatever or whoever they are?
Nice bit of projection there, I care not at all about the VAT policy I just find the hypocrisy rich in humour.That sort of hypocrisy?
Vanden Saab said:
hidetheelephants said:
Ascayman said:
S600BSB said:
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hstewie said:
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Must say it's weird seeing the people who quite literally didn't give a f
k about the Johnson Government acting unlawfully when it suited them going full on "but Labour might have the ECHR on them" about VAT on school fees.
It's actually pathetic.
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It's actually pathetic.
Article 17 - EU Charter of Fundamental Rights
"No one may be deprived of his or her possessions, except in the public interest and in the cases and under the conditions provided for by law, subject to fair compensation being paid in good time for their loss."
Human rights don't apply to people with assets apparently!
Ascayman said:
Like the hypocrisy of being vehemently anti Brexit but then using the fact that we’ve left as an opportunity to put into effect an envy tax that will disadvantage both state and private children.
That sort of hypocrisy?
Who are these vehement anti brexiteers of which you speak? VAT has been called many things, I focus on regressive, but I've never heard it called an envy tax.That sort of hypocrisy?
hidetheelephants said:
Ascayman said:
Like the hypocrisy of being vehemently anti Brexit but then using the fact that we’ve left as an opportunity to put into effect an envy tax that will disadvantage both state and private children.
That sort of hypocrisy?
Who are these vehement anti brexiteers of which you speak? That sort of hypocrisy?
hidetheelephants said:
VAT has been called many things, I focus on regressive, but I've never heard it called an envy tax.
Not even subtle.VAT on education and VAT on an education sector which isn't free at the point of use, therefore used by families with enough disposable income to be in Starmer's sights. That inevitably includes families in the hardworking class. There's your envy (and spite) tax, known all along.
Ascayman said:
Well yes except it won’t effect the Nasty, rich, posh people they’ll be totally unaffected so who are the ‘pearl clutchers’ we are disadvantaging both state and private kids for so that we can laugh at?
It’s a matter of perception. As red meat thrown out to appease part of the party, as long as they think it’s sticking it to the nasty poshos that’s all that Starmer needs. Never mind that as you say, it won’t actually affect the really rich posh ones and probably will simply even further entrench the advantage of private schools in churning out % in top jobs. There will be plenty lining up to support said red meat policy simply because it comes from the ‘right’ side.CoolHands said:
When they get their hooks into pensions I believe they will do irreparable long term harm. Most of the country already don’t trust politicians, have difficulty planning for the future as don’t trust what politicians will do to pensions and pension ages etc. They will make it worse.
Don't forget they hid Gordon Brown's intentions in 1997, actions which largely led to the end of private sector DB pensions. Except public sector. Quelle surprise.Will they go for Starmer's special pension arrangement? No.
And what about inheritance tax exemption for agricultural land and farms? We know Labour hate us rural folk.
FiF said:
CoolHands said:
When they get their hooks into pensions I believe they will do irreparable long term harm. Most of the country already don’t trust politicians, have difficulty planning for the future as don’t trust what politicians will do to pensions and pension ages etc. They will make it worse.
Don't forget they hid Gordon Brown's intentions in 1997, actions which largely led to the end of private sector DB pensions. Except public sector. Quelle surprise.Will they go for Starmer's special pension arrangement? No.
And what about inheritance tax exemption for agricultural land and farms? We know Labour hate us rural folk.
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FiF said:
CoolHands said:
When they get their hooks into pensions I believe they will do irreparable long term harm. Most of the country already don’t trust politicians, have difficulty planning for the future as don’t trust what politicians will do to pensions and pension ages etc. They will make it worse.
Don't forget they hid Gordon Brown's intentions in 1997, actions which largely led to the end of private sector DB pensions. Except public sector. Quelle surprise.Will they go for Starmer's special pension arrangement? No.
And what about inheritance tax exemption for agricultural land and farms? We know Labour hate us rural folk.
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turbobloke said:
FiF said:
CoolHands said:
When they get their hooks into pensions I believe they will do irreparable long term harm. Most of the country already don’t trust politicians, have difficulty planning for the future as don’t trust what politicians will do to pensions and pension ages etc. They will make it worse.
Don't forget they hid Gordon Brown's intentions in 1997, actions which largely led to the end of private sector DB pensions. Except public sector. Quelle surprise.Will they go for Starmer's special pension arrangement? No.
And what about inheritance tax exemption for agricultural land and farms? We know Labour hate us rural folk.
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Riff Raff said:
turbobloke said:
FiF said:
CoolHands said:
When they get their hooks into pensions I believe they will do irreparable long term harm. Most of the country already don’t trust politicians, have difficulty planning for the future as don’t trust what politicians will do to pensions and pension ages etc. They will make it worse.
Don't forget they hid Gordon Brown's intentions in 1997, actions which largely led to the end of private sector DB pensions. Except public sector. Quelle surprise.Will they go for Starmer's special pension arrangement? No.
And what about inheritance tax exemption for agricultural land and farms? We know Labour hate us rural folk.
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Of course as above Labour completely bottled out in dealing with civil service and public sector pensions. That was Prescott.
And the point was that time has revealed they intended on this tax raid all along and hid it from their manifesto. More reason to suspect what they're not saying this time.
FiF said:
And the point was that time has revealed they intended on this tax raid all along and hid it from their manifesto. More reason to suspect what they're not saying this time.
This has always been the blindingly obvious issue with Starmer & co.Nonetheless the turkeys will be lining up to vote for Christmas on Thursday morning.
Wombat3 said:
FiF said:
And the point was that time has revealed they intended on this tax raid all along and hid it from their manifesto. More reason to suspect what they're not saying this time.
This has always been the blindingly obvious issue with Starmer & co.Nonetheless the turkeys will be lining up to vote for Christmas on Thursday morning.
There's an attempt to play in advance the "well once we've seen the books" card, but even Reeves admits that's false as the OBR lays out all the details to make a proper assessment and costing. We know Labour is not telling the truth and extremely surprisingly they're starting to admit it.
Ascayman said:
hidetheelephants said:
Ascayman said:
So kids both private and state being disadvantaged are just collateral damage so you can laugh at the ‘pear clutchers’ whatever or whoever they are?
Nice bit of projection there, I care not at all about the VAT policy I just find the hypocrisy rich in humour.That sort of hypocrisy?
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hstewie said:
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Vanden Saab said:
They have kept Lammy out of the way since he suggested that trans women could grow a cervix a couple of years ago and that campaigners for women's rights were dinosaurs.
I suspect it's more likely because there are rumours that he won't be Foreign Secretary.Is it the time for the Burgon to rise into government and put us back in the centre of international affairs ?
Is it time for Richard to be working closely with Angela?
Time4change
Time4 the Burgon
hidetheelephants said:
f
k me, did he and Murray buy their suits from a charity shop blindfolded and then sleep in a skip before the photoshoot?
The Burgon does not need to wear an expensive suit. ![](/inc/images/censored.gif)
The Burgon does not need to look pretty for a photoshoot
The Burgon does not need expensive after shave or £400 shoes
The Burgon expresses himself through words, powerful oratory which once heard is remembered both for its meaning and delivery
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