Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)

[Sway]

bhstewie said:

Interesting.

Labour to bring in automatic voter registration under plans to boost franchise

It's an interesting concept - I'm not sure how a government system is going to cope with one of the examples of people that struggle to do it now, those that move regularly.

Feels like a good idea in principle, but I can't imagine how well it'd be implemented. There's not exactly a track record of such systems going well!

The reference to other European nations is an interesting one - the vast majority of which have mandatory ID, which I'd imagine is the vector for administering it. Here it'd be a lot more complex.

[Mr Penguin]

No reason not to do it since it is already illegal to not be registered (albeit an £80 fine so at the very bottom end of illegality) but it sounds like something that would have already been done if it was easy to do and I doubt many people who would have voted can't simply because they forgot to register.

[Sway]

Mr Penguin said:

No reason not to do it since it is already illegal to not be registered (albeit an £80 fine so at the very bottom end of illegality) but it sounds like something that would have already been done if it was easy to do and I doubt many people who would have voted can't simply because they forgot to register.

Oh, it's a good idea - the practical implementation is the bit I'd be worried about!

Good ideas arent automatically practicable.

[119]

Monumental waste of time and money imo.

There are many more issues that need addressing well above this.

[Randy Winkman]

hidetheelephants said:

turbobloke said:

When Blair won with a landslide, newspapers carried reports of Labour supporters gathering outside gov't buildings in London who then swore and spat at office workers including female admin staff leaving their jobs. Admins, not conservative politicians. That couldn't possibly happen again in enlightened 2024.

That's an extraordinary claim so I'm going to ask for a citation; google is coming up dry.

I've been a Whitehall based civil servant since the 80s and I don't remember it.

[Wombat3]

bhstewie said:

98elise said:

We've had 14 years of your tantrums

Personally I don't care if they get in as long as they leave me alone. I've had a decent working life, paid more then my fair share of taxes, invested and saved for my retirement, and now retired.

If they can resist having a rifle through my pension/ISA's and eyeing up my house, then I'll be happy.

Water off a ducks back.

It's looking like an exorcism on July 4th so it seems I'm not alone in my views of the current shower - which is mainly thanks to the last five years and Johnson's normalisation of deviance than it is anything Cameron or May or Starmer have done.

Top flouncing & whataboutery!

[MC Bodge]

Randy Winkman said:

hidetheelephants said:

turbobloke said:

When Blair won with a landslide, newspapers carried reports of Labour supporters gathering outside gov't buildings in London who then swore and spat at office workers including female admin staff leaving their jobs. Admins, not conservative politicians. That couldn't possibly happen again in enlightened 2024.

That's an extraordinary claim so I'm going to ask for a citation; google is coming up dry.

I've been a Whitehall based civil servant since the 80s and I don't remember it.

That does not mean that it didn't happen in Turbobloke's mind or some dark corner of the internet that fears anything that isn't full-time absolutely right wing/Tory.

[Mr Penguin]

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/dawn-...

Kinder, gentler politics

[hidetheelephants]

Mr Penguin said:

hidetheelephants said:

Where does it say that, it's not in the article?

In the headline, subheading, and first three sentences.

Also reported in the Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/j...

The times article which you linked to did none of those things.

[turbobloke]

MC Bodge said:

Randy Winkman said:

hidetheelephants said:

turbobloke said:

When Blair won with a landslide, newspapers carried reports of Labour supporters gathering outside gov't buildings in London who then swore and spat at office workers including female admin staff leaving their jobs. Admins, not conservative politicians. That couldn't possibly happen again in enlightened 2024.

That's an extraordinary claim so I'm going to ask for a citation; google is coming up dry.

I've been a Whitehall based civil servant since the 80s and I don't remember it.

That does not mean that it didn't happen in Turbobloke's mind or some dark corner of the internet that fears anything that isn't full-time absolutely right wing/Tory.

How old were commenters at the time?

It's standard fodder with Labour's cultured followers to show such behaviour, as repeated outdide Tory conference hotels. Finding material that old on the internet isn't quick or easy. You may find it easier to locate reports of scenes outside the October 2015 conference (Tory) when four journalists were spat at while young Tory delegates had eggs thrown at them and women attendees were called 'bhes'. McDonnell praised the sptting. Nasty Party standard MO. See how my memory goes with that more recent one, 18 years later than the London disgrace but still nearly 10 years ago,

What I described happening did happen, though of course anyoine wanting to create a smokescreen can pretend it didn't and call me names, that'll do the trick.

[Mr Penguin]

hidetheelephants said:

The times article which you linked to did none of those things.

Weird because when I click on it it takes me to an article which says

Labour member held over Westminster honeytrap scandal

Met Police confirm the arrest is in connection with revelations that explicit messages and images were sent to MPs, parliamentary staff and journalists

A Labour Party member has been identified as the man arrested over the Westminster honeytrap scandal.

The man, who is in his mid-twenties, was detained by police on Wednesday morning in Islington, north London.

Labour has suspended the man’s membership of the party, but said it could not comment due to the police investigation.

[turbobloke]

A few seconds' work. Journalists were spat at also, making this impossible to whitewash, more reports should be available.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conserva...

[bitchstewie]

So nothing at all to do with Blair or government buildings or "office workers including female admin staff leaving their jobs" then.

If anyone has been spat at by anyone it should have been dealt with by the Police.

Why lie about it?

[MC Bodge]

turbobloke said:

A few seconds' work. Journalists were spat at also, making this impossible to whitewash, more reports should be available.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conserva...

You need to find yourself a better hobby.

[hidetheelephants]

Mr Penguin said:

Weird because when I click on it it takes me to an article which say.

No idea what's going on then, I get this.

[crankedup5]

bhstewie said:

God five years of these tantrums is going to be brilliant

But cannot possibly top tantrums exhibited by remainers, and still 8 years on

[Randy Winkman]

bhstewie said:

So nothing at all to do with Blair or government buildings or "office workers including female admin staff leaving their jobs" then.

If anyone has been spat at by anyone it should have been dealt with by the Police.

Why lie about it?

Exactly. As I said, it's the first I've ever heard of it and I was a Whitehall civil servant at the time.

[MC Bodge]

crankedup5 said:

But cannot possibly top tantrums exhibited by remainers, and still 8 years on

Hilarious, isn't it?

Leaving the EU was soooo totally worth it, wasn't it?

[greygoose]

turbobloke said:

MC Bodge said:

Randy Winkman said:

hidetheelephants said:

turbobloke said:

When Blair won with a landslide, newspapers carried reports of Labour supporters gathering outside gov't buildings in London who then swore and spat at office workers including female admin staff leaving their jobs. Admins, not conservative politicians. That couldn't possibly happen again in enlightened 2024.

That's an extraordinary claim so I'm going to ask for a citation; google is coming up dry.

I've been a Whitehall based civil servant since the 80s and I don't remember it.

That does not mean that it didn't happen in Turbobloke's mind or some dark corner of the internet that fears anything that isn't full-time absolutely right wing/Tory.

How old were commenters at the time?

It's standard fodder with Labour's cultured followers to show such behaviour, as repeated outdide Tory conference hotels. Finding material that old on the internet isn't quick or easy. You may find it easier to locate reports of scenes outside the October 2015 conference (Tory) when four journalists were spat at while young Tory delegates had eggs thrown at them and women attendees were called 'bhes'. McDonnell praised the sptting. Nasty Party standard MO. See how my memory goes with that more recent one, 18 years later than the London disgrace but still nearly 10 years ago,

What I described happening did happen, though of course anyoine wanting to create a smokescreen can pretend it didn't and call me names, that'll do the trick.

It sounds like you made it up and have no evidence that it happened, but keep playing the victim.

[eharding]

turbobloke said:

Finding material that old on the internet isn't quick or easy.

Conventional web search engines do have issues with finding material that doesn't actually exist. You might want to try getting ChatGPT to invent something for you.