“National Conservatism”
Discussion
smn159 said:
It's all OK though because they've been in touch with Thatchers ghost and she approves
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/jacob-reesmo...
They're a scoosh to the right of Maggie (and Ronnies) policies.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/jacob-reesmo...
Surprised she's not considered one of the Marxists they're warning us about
M.
I think the general public will take one look at Baby CPAC, and see the massive imbalance in the US society - the rising homelessness, lack of access to healthcare, job insecurity and a political movement that seems to preach small government but in reality wants to control individuals
FFS- this is the country where the government tells you where and when to cross the road and denies you a beer just by virtue of where you live.
Are the Nat Cons really that naïve that they cannot see the US far right inside the pleasantly wrapped equine gift?
I have lots of friends on the political right, from One Nation through to EDL, and I would say most of them think Braverman and reactionary Red Wall Tories are junk. T he most Thatcherite tend to dislike them the most - they see them as people who have not built a business, but just noisy ideologues, who present more of a risk than a centrist Labour party.
Mortarboard said:
They're a scoosh to the right of Maggie (and Ronnies) policies.
M.
Fascists both of them. By coincidence I've just been listening to "Fascist Groove Thang" by Heaven 17. Just to remind the terribly earnest progressives on here who think they only just invented the sport of labelling conservatives as fascists: my generation did it first, did it better, and set it to very danceable music.M.
230TE said:
Mortarboard said:
They're a scoosh to the right of Maggie (and Ronnies) policies.
M.
Fascists both of them. By coincidence I've just been listening to "Fascist Groove Thang" by Heaven 17. Just to remind the terribly earnest progressives on here who think they only just invented the sport of labelling conservatives as fascists: my generation did it first, did it better, and set it to very danceable music.M.
All us cool kids were into Two Tone, which very definitely did not, and does not, accord with the baby CPACers. .
Edited by Castrol for a knave on Wednesday 17th May 16:39
gregs656 said:
Who is asserting what language people should use on this thread, or what priorities young people should have?
Not 'the left'.
it's a problem that goes beyond this forum. the usual suspects will pile into threads like this and line up to register their usual disgust at but steer clear of placing an opinion down when, for example, invited speakers are cancelled at universities or, standing up for northern english society, culture and values, something that the left used to champion but has sadly abandoned in pursuit of money/open borders.Not 'the left'.
the hive mind has now classed Thatcherites like myself into some sort of bucket marked 'fascist' ready for the next wave of nonsense to be spewed forth by some journalist who won't leave zone 2 and thinks 'northern' is solely located on the London tube map.
Carl_Manchester said:
the hive mind has now classed Thatcherites like myself into some sort of bucket marked 'fascist' ready for the next wave of nonsense to be spewed forth by some journalist who won't leave zone 2 and thinks 'northern' is solely located on the London tube map.
JRM's religious fundamentalists are nothing like Thatcherism though are they.And how much of a f
k do you think they give about Manchester, unless they want you to drive a lorry or pick fruit for your betters?They did say 'something, something, woke..' though, so maybe that's enough for your vote
smn159 said:
Carl_Manchester said:
the hive mind has now classed Thatcherites like myself into some sort of bucket marked 'fascist' ready for the next wave of nonsense to be spewed forth by some journalist who won't leave zone 2 and thinks 'northern' is solely located on the London tube map.
JRM's religious fundamentalists are nothing like Thatcherism though are they.And how much of a f
k do you think they give about Manchester, unless they want you to drive a lorry or pick fruit for your betters?They did say 'something, something, woke..' though, so maybe that's enough for your vote
LBC News said:
The public will not tolerate 'woke' policing over catching burglars, the chief constable of Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.
Stephen Watson felt people were "fed up" of virtue-signalling from police and that impartiality from officers could be undermined by responses to campaign groups.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/public-fed-up-of-woke-p...
Stephen Watson felt people were "fed up" of virtue-signalling from police and that impartiality from officers could be undermined by responses to campaign groups.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/public-fed-up-of-woke-p...
bigothunter said:
smn159 said:
Carl_Manchester said:
the hive mind has now classed Thatcherites like myself into some sort of bucket marked 'fascist' ready for the next wave of nonsense to be spewed forth by some journalist who won't leave zone 2 and thinks 'northern' is solely located on the London tube map.
JRM's religious fundamentalists are nothing like Thatcherism though are they.And how much of a f
k do you think they give about Manchester, unless they want you to drive a lorry or pick fruit for your betters?They did say 'something, something, woke..' though, so maybe that's enough for your vote
LBC News said:
The public will not tolerate 'woke' policing over catching burglars, the chief constable of Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.
Stephen Watson felt people were "fed up" of virtue-signalling from police and that impartiality from officers could be undermined by responses to campaign groups.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/public-fed-up-of-woke-p...
Stephen Watson felt people were "fed up" of virtue-signalling from police and that impartiality from officers could be undermined by responses to campaign groups.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/public-fed-up-of-woke-p...
Are your views really that easily bought?
Gweeds said:
And what does woke mean?
Hope this helps 
Merriam-Webster Dictionary said:
Woke - adjective chiefly US slang
1a: aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)
But we will only succeed if we reject the growing pressure to retreat into cynicism and hopelessness. … We have a moral obligation to "stay woke," take a stand and be active; challenging injustices and racism in our communities and fighting hatred and discrimination wherever it rises.
—Barbara Lee
… argued that … Brad Pitt is not only woke, but the wokest man in Hollywood … because he uses his status—and his production company Plan B—to create space for artists of colour, with such films as 12 Years a Slave, Selma, and the upcoming film Moonlight.
—Giselle Defares
Being woke to gender discrimination is difficult; it ruins things you love. Entire canons of art are rotten to the core with it.
—Rachel Edelstein
—often used in contexts that suggest someone's expressed beliefs about such matters are not backed with genuine concern or action
There is never really a moment where a person of color doesn’t have to deal with discrimination, whether it be veiled and passive or as blunt as possible. So, woke white people, why can’t you step in?
—Lauren Sanchez
Enter the age of the performatively woke brand. Politics has become a kind of fashion accessory for corporate America these days, a way to profit from protest.
—Jon Gingerich
"Fake woke" behavior arises. We put the hashtags on our social media. #Sayhername, #icantbreathe, #blacklivesmatter. And repeat. The problem is that the level of concern we express online doesn’t match the everyday behavior we exhibit.
—Surayya Walters
b: reflecting the attitudes of woke people
woke values/language
In our newly woke times, there has been increased scrutiny of old films dealing with sensitive subjects.
—Hannah Jane Parkinson
He wants to make The Wombles more "woke" so the characters are gender-fluid or of different races.
—Liz Perkins
2: disapproving : politically liberal (as in matters of racial and social justice) especially in a way that is considered unreasonable or extreme
The national conservatives view today’s liberals as woke cultural warriors who pose an existential threat to the nation and its traditions.
—Shadi Hamid
He’s built a social media brand on the right railing against "woke liberals" and supporting former President Donald Trump.
—Marissa Martinez
The military is struggling to find new recruits to fill its ranks. … While the official reasons given by the military—including fewer face-to-face recruitments during the pandemic, and fewer young people who meet the physical standards required—likely play a role, some say it’s because the military is too "woke," turning off its normal constituency of young, conservative recruits.
—Suzanne Bates
If there is any hope, it’s that voters are rejecting woke green goals. Already this has occurred in Sweden and Italy, where voters threw out left-wing governments …
—Michael Shellenberger
'Woke capitalism' tends to be a term that critics use to refer to … portfolios that are built around environmental, social and governance issues like climate change or diversity.
—Victor Reklaitis
wokeness noun often disapproving
As wokeness pervades our society, expect to see a lot more limits placed on our daily word choices.
—Ingrid Jacques
1a: aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)
But we will only succeed if we reject the growing pressure to retreat into cynicism and hopelessness. … We have a moral obligation to "stay woke," take a stand and be active; challenging injustices and racism in our communities and fighting hatred and discrimination wherever it rises.
—Barbara Lee
… argued that … Brad Pitt is not only woke, but the wokest man in Hollywood … because he uses his status—and his production company Plan B—to create space for artists of colour, with such films as 12 Years a Slave, Selma, and the upcoming film Moonlight.
—Giselle Defares
Being woke to gender discrimination is difficult; it ruins things you love. Entire canons of art are rotten to the core with it.
—Rachel Edelstein
—often used in contexts that suggest someone's expressed beliefs about such matters are not backed with genuine concern or action
There is never really a moment where a person of color doesn’t have to deal with discrimination, whether it be veiled and passive or as blunt as possible. So, woke white people, why can’t you step in?
—Lauren Sanchez
Enter the age of the performatively woke brand. Politics has become a kind of fashion accessory for corporate America these days, a way to profit from protest.
—Jon Gingerich
"Fake woke" behavior arises. We put the hashtags on our social media. #Sayhername, #icantbreathe, #blacklivesmatter. And repeat. The problem is that the level of concern we express online doesn’t match the everyday behavior we exhibit.
—Surayya Walters
b: reflecting the attitudes of woke people
woke values/language
In our newly woke times, there has been increased scrutiny of old films dealing with sensitive subjects.
—Hannah Jane Parkinson
He wants to make The Wombles more "woke" so the characters are gender-fluid or of different races.
—Liz Perkins
2: disapproving : politically liberal (as in matters of racial and social justice) especially in a way that is considered unreasonable or extreme
The national conservatives view today’s liberals as woke cultural warriors who pose an existential threat to the nation and its traditions.
—Shadi Hamid
He’s built a social media brand on the right railing against "woke liberals" and supporting former President Donald Trump.
—Marissa Martinez
The military is struggling to find new recruits to fill its ranks. … While the official reasons given by the military—including fewer face-to-face recruitments during the pandemic, and fewer young people who meet the physical standards required—likely play a role, some say it’s because the military is too "woke," turning off its normal constituency of young, conservative recruits.
—Suzanne Bates
If there is any hope, it’s that voters are rejecting woke green goals. Already this has occurred in Sweden and Italy, where voters threw out left-wing governments …
—Michael Shellenberger
'Woke capitalism' tends to be a term that critics use to refer to … portfolios that are built around environmental, social and governance issues like climate change or diversity.
—Victor Reklaitis
wokeness noun often disapproving
As wokeness pervades our society, expect to see a lot more limits placed on our daily word choices.
—Ingrid Jacques
bigothunter said:
Gweeds said:
And what does woke mean?
Hope this helps Merriam-Webster Dictionary said:
Woke - adjective chiefly US slang
1a: aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)
1a: aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)
smn159 said:
Not sure what point you are trying to make - Moggs religious fruit loopery is OK because a virtue signalling police chief said something about woke in 2021?
Are your views really that easily bought?
You trivialised being anti-woke. I merely highlighted that Manchester's population and chief constable did not agree.Are your views really that easily bought?
bigothunter said:
smn159 said:
Not sure what point you are trying to make - Moggs religious fruit loopery is OK because a virtue signalling police chief said something about woke in 2021?
Are your views really that easily bought?
You trivialised being anti-woke. I merely highlighted that Manchester's population and chief constable did not agree.Are your views really that easily bought?
Killboy said:
bigothunter said:
Gweeds said:
And what does woke mean?
Hope this helps Merriam-Webster Dictionary said:
Woke - adjective chiefly US slang
1a: aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)
1a: aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)
b: reflecting the attitudes of woke people
2: disapproving : politically liberal (as in matters of racial and social justice) especially in a way that is considered unreasonable or extreme
smn159 said:
What's anti-woke then? Being in favour of racial and social injustice?
Here's a previous example:LBC News said:
The public will not tolerate 'woke' policing over catching burglars, the chief constable of Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.
Stephen Watson felt people were "fed up" of virtue-signalling from police and that impartiality from officers could be undermined by responses to campaign groups.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/public-fed-up-of-woke-p...
Stephen Watson felt people were "fed up" of virtue-signalling from police and that impartiality from officers could be undermined by responses to campaign groups.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/public-fed-up-of-woke-p...
bigothunter said:
Don't forget:
b: reflecting the attitudes of woke people
2: disapproving : politically liberal (as in matters of racial and social justice) especially in a way that is considered unreasonable or extreme
Is any liberalism not seen as extreme by those who are tight wing using the term woke?b: reflecting the attitudes of woke people
2: disapproving : politically liberal (as in matters of racial and social justice) especially in a way that is considered unreasonable or extreme
I'd suggest people look at the source site for a slightly better formatted description.
Edit: noted the "tight" wing error, but think it makes it even better.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 17th May 18:24
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