Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
Is it not obvious? If you've defined yourself on an issue that's clearly a failure & for which the clock is inevitably ticking, then your psychological reflex is to defend & trumpet it at every opportunity. Never occurs how tedious & swivel eyed it makes one appear, the programming demands it like a tic day after day.
MC Bodge said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:turbobloke said:
What tantrums? The result has been obvious for some time, it's not a close run thing, nobody will be surprised.
Putting a Brexit Syndrome affliction onto anyone other than remainers after brexit is unwarranted and looks like wishful thinking. Friday morning, 5th July, is make another cup of tea time as per Labour - Coalition - Tories in the past. Five years or more of braying / sneering are far more likely.
When Blair won with a landslide, newspapers carried reports of Labour supporters gathering outside gov't buildings in London who then swore and spat at office workers including female admin staff leaving their jobs. Admins, not conservative politicians. That couldn't possibly happen again in enlightened 2024.
This is definitely not a tantrum ^^Putting a Brexit Syndrome affliction onto anyone other than remainers after brexit is unwarranted and looks like wishful thinking. Friday morning, 5th July, is make another cup of tea time as per Labour - Coalition - Tories in the past. Five years or more of braying / sneering are far more likely.
When Blair won with a landslide, newspapers carried reports of Labour supporters gathering outside gov't buildings in London who then swore and spat at office workers including female admin staff leaving their jobs. Admins, not conservative politicians. That couldn't possibly happen again in enlightened 2024.
MC Bodge said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:turbobloke said:
What tantrums? The result has been obvious for some time, it's not a close run thing, nobody will be surprised.
Putting a Brexit Syndrome affliction onto anyone other than remainers after brexit is unwarranted and looks like wishful thinking. Friday morning, 5th July, is make another cup of tea time as per Labour - Coalition - Tories in the past. Five years or more of braying / sneering are far more likely.
When Blair won with a landslide, newspapers carried reports of Labour supporters gathering outside gov't buildings in London who then swore and spat at office workers including female admin staff leaving their jobs. Admins, not conservative politicians. That couldn't possibly happen again in enlightened 2024.
This is definitely not a tantrum ^^Putting a Brexit Syndrome affliction onto anyone other than remainers after brexit is unwarranted and looks like wishful thinking. Friday morning, 5th July, is make another cup of tea time as per Labour - Coalition - Tories in the past. Five years or more of braying / sneering are far more likely.
When Blair won with a landslide, newspapers carried reports of Labour supporters gathering outside gov't buildings in London who then swore and spat at office workers including female admin staff leaving their jobs. Admins, not conservative politicians. That couldn't possibly happen again in enlightened 2024.
I don't use gruntspeak and don't agree with dumbing down. If that's strange to some, jeez.
The pattern is clear enough. If somebody takes the time to respond to juvenile name calling and hyperbolic post content without agreeing and using the same level of abuse and hype in the same direction, they must be 'defending' something or somebody or 'supporting' something else or voting this way or that way. The influx of Monty Python 5 minute / half-hour arguers only helps to take the baton forward such that it's possible, and has happened, that agreeing can still generate an argumentative reply. Such is NP&E these days.
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bhstewie said:
hstewie said: It's just strange how it always seems to come back to Brexit.
I lost I'm over it.
It'll probably get slowly unpicked over the next couple of Parliaments but that's how a democracy works.
No need to keep banging on about it.
This is definitely not a tantrum ^^I lost I'm over it.
It'll probably get slowly unpicked over the next couple of Parliaments but that's how a democracy works.
No need to keep banging on about it.
There's a parrot somewhere on one leg cleared for take-off.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: God five years of these tantrums is going to be brilliant 
We've had 14 years of your tantrums Personally I don't care if they get in as long as they leave me alone. I've had a decent working life, paid more then my fair share of taxes, invested and saved for my retirement, and now retired.
If they can resist having a rifle through my pension/ISA's and eyeing up my house, then I'll be happy.
98elise said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: God five years of these tantrums is going to be brilliant
We've had 14 years of your tantrums Personally I don't care if they get in as long as they leave me alone. I've had a decent working life, paid more then my fair share of taxes, invested and saved for my retirement, and now retired.
If they can resist having a rifle through my pension/ISA's and eyeing up my house, then I'll be happy.
98elise said:
We've had 14 years of your tantrums
Personally I don't care if they get in as long as they leave me alone. I've had a decent working life, paid more then my fair share of taxes, invested and saved for my retirement, and now retired.
If they can resist having a rifle through my pension/ISA's and eyeing up my house, then I'll be happy.
Water off a ducks back.Personally I don't care if they get in as long as they leave me alone. I've had a decent working life, paid more then my fair share of taxes, invested and saved for my retirement, and now retired.
If they can resist having a rifle through my pension/ISA's and eyeing up my house, then I'll be happy.
It's looking like an exorcism on July 4th so it seems I'm not alone in my views of the current shower - which is mainly thanks to the last five years and Johnson's normalisation of deviance than it is anything Cameron or May or Starmer have done.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/man-a...
Man arrested over the honeytrap / William Wragg scandal - turns out it was a member of the Labour Party.
Man arrested over the honeytrap / William Wragg scandal - turns out it was a member of the Labour Party.
Mr Penguin said:
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/man-a...
Man arrested over the honeytrap / William Wragg scandal - turns out it was a member of the Labour Party.
Where does it say that, it's not in the article?Man arrested over the honeytrap / William Wragg scandal - turns out it was a member of the Labour Party.
hidetheelephants said:
Mr Penguin said:
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/man-a...
Man arrested over the honeytrap / William Wragg scandal - turns out it was a member of the Labour Party.
Where does it say that, it's not in the article?Man arrested over the honeytrap / William Wragg scandal - turns out it was a member of the Labour Party.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/26/ge...
hidetheelephants said:
Where does it say that, it's not in the article?
In the headline, subheading, and first three sentences.Also reported in the Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/j...
Mr Penguin said:
hidetheelephants said:
Where does it say that, it's not in the article?
In the headline, subheading, and first three sentences.Also reported in the Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/j...
turbobloke said:
The influx of Monty Python 5 minute / half-hour arguers only helps to take the baton forward such that it's possible, and has happened, that agreeing can still generate an argumentative reply. Such is NP&E these days.
Is the implication that anybody posting on here needs to surfing the internet or their memories for obscure/false stories and be doing it on a full-time basis?NP&E appears a bit less reactionary than it once was. This is a good thing.
bhstewie said:
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