Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)

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bhstewie said:

philv said:

Labour is set to abandon its promise to scrap university tuition fees in England if it wins power, its leader has said. Sir Keir Starmer told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the party was "likely to move on from that commitment", blaming the economic backdrop. The Labour leader pledged to support getting rid of fees in his 2020 leadership campaign.


No climbing out of the labour cess pit for the less well off.

Why have you quoted a year old BBC article?

Still relevant isn’t it?

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anonymoususer said:

turbobloke said:

Not this again! Johnson and Truss did the work, with icing on the cake from Sunak;s gaffes. Starmer breathed air as it happened.

If you missed the Lord Ashcfoft and Guardian links, Starmer has failed to win hearts and minds, voters tend to prefer Tory policy but dislike the Tories more, and won't vote for them due to the people. Self-inflicted.

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Starmer changed the party
There is considerable difference between the ideals of Rachel Reeves and those of John McDonnell for example
You might not like that but there it is.
I don't need to look at selected links to realise and point out that as per the title Keir Starmer has revived the Labour Party

Starmers latest word is ‘change’ and true to form he has changed the Labour Party into a Conservative Party. The only difference is that the new look Party has less baggage in the form of
scandal. Give it a couple of years and rich pickings will be available. Seems to be the way now since the great ‘MP expenses’ scandal came to public attention.
We are all poorer for it, except of course those former politicians who profited from such scandals.

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bhstewie said:

I don't think you're likely to vote Labour thinking they've said they'll scrap tuition fees.

It worked for the Liberal Democrats...

...until it didn't.

[bitchstewie]

From what I remember the Lib Dems literally ran on a manifesto saying they would scrap tuition fees then found out that when you're actually in Government even as a partner in a coalition you don't always get to do everything you said you would and they got punished for it.

I don't think it's the same situation as a party very clearly changing their stance over a year ago and being clear going into an election in two weeks time that they will not scrap tuition fees.

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philv said:

Labour is set to abandon its promise to scrap university tuition fees in England if it wins power, its leader has said. Sir Keir Starmer told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the party was "likely to move on from that commitment", blaming the economic backdrop. The Labour leader pledged to support getting rid of fees in his 2020 leadership campaign.


No climbing out of the labour cess pit for the less well off.

Do you want us to throw you a rope?

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S600BSB said:

philv said:

Labour is set to abandon its promise to scrap university tuition fees in England if it wins power, its leader has said. Sir Keir Starmer told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the party was "likely to move on from that commitment", blaming the economic backdrop. The Labour leader pledged to support getting rid of fees in his 2020 leadership campaign.


No climbing out of the labour cess pit for the less well off.

Do you want us to throw you a rope?

No need. He can just use yours.

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S600BSB said:

philv said:

Labour is set to abandon its promise to scrap university tuition fees in England if it wins power, its leader has said. Sir Keir Starmer told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the party was "likely to move on from that commitment", blaming the economic backdrop. The Labour leader pledged to support getting rid of fees in his 2020 leadership campaign.


No climbing out of the labour cess pit for the less well off.

Do you want us to throw you a rope?

He's waving, not drowning.

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bhstewie said:

From what I remember the Lib Dems literally ran on a manifesto saying they would scrap tuition fees then found out that when you're actually in Government even as a partner in a coalition you don't always get to do everything you said you would and they got punished for it.

I don't think it's the same situation as a party very clearly changing their stance over a year ago and being clear going into an election in two weeks time that they will not scrap tuition fees.

Your memory is correct.
Sometime after that Vince Cable was on a political show (I'm pretty sure it would have been question time) and he vigorously defended the non scrapping of the fees. This could have been during the coalition government itself or it could have been on the LibDem campaign of 2005.
The audience didn't like it but he stuck to his guns.
There was a lot of respect for Vince Cable during the 2010 campaign he was viewed as a sensible chap.

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Rayner, barely touching on policy under the scrutiny that is GMB, has been talking about stopping landlords asking for 6-12 month deposits. The current cap is set at 5 weeks.

Meanwhile her boss, also dealing with the important issues of the day, has answered that striker Dennis Bergkamp was Arsenal's greatest midfielder.

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768 said:

Rayner, barely touching on policy under the scrutiny that is GMB, has been talking about stopping landlords asking for 6-12 month deposits. The current cap is set at 5 weeks.

Meanwhile her boss, also dealing with the important issues of the day, has answered that striker Dennis Bergkamp was Arsenal's greatest midfielder.

Yikes, the comments on that video.

[turbobloke]

768 said:

Rayner, barely touching on policy under the scrutiny that is GMB, has been talking about stopping landlords asking for 6-12 month deposits. The current cap is set at 5 weeks.

Meanwhile her boss, also dealing with the important issues of the day, has answered that striker Dennis Bergkamp was Arsenal's greatest midfielder.

Starmer: priorities matter.

[Jockman]

768 said:

Rayner, barely touching on policy under the scrutiny that is GMB, has been talking about stopping landlords asking for 6-12 month deposits. The current cap is set at 5 weeks.

Meanwhile her boss, also dealing with the important issues of the day, has answered that striker Dennis Bergkamp was Arsenal's greatest midfielder.

I can see this being a very short honeymoon period after July 4th.

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Jockman said:

768 said:

Rayner, barely touching on policy under the scrutiny that is GMB, has been talking about stopping landlords asking for 6-12 month deposits. The current cap is set at 5 weeks.

Meanwhile her boss, also dealing with the important issues of the day, has answered that striker Dennis Bergkamp was Arsenal's greatest midfielder.

I can see this being a very short honeymoon period after July 4th.

As well as what happens in the Tory Party, that particular nugget will be must-watch post-election,

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It will be interesting to see what “scandals” bubble up during the next Labour govt. It will be a good indication as to how the party is being run, how rigid, how controlled and competent a machine it is. They keep Mandy around either controlling the reigns or guiding those who now do and it well be a very slick operation. Of course, the Labour Party being the Labour Party, that just means the left will try to start an internal war.

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DeejRC said:

It will be interesting to see what “scandals” bubble up during the next Labour govt. It will be a good indication as to how the party is being run, how rigid, how controlled and competent a machine it is. They keep Mandy around either controlling the reigns or guiding those who now do and it well be a very slick operation. Of course, the Labour Party being the Labour Party, that just means the left will try to start an internal war.

There will be scandals but it would take some effort to match the tory ones. Scandals aren't scandals until someone talks about them.

The scandals will be overhyped by some of the usual suspects who'd not bat an eyelid if a Tory did the same thing.

Such is politics.

Not so sure on the last line. I think Keir, as did Tony, has made sure he holds more cards. They'll be a pain in the arse but they won't win, in the first term.

As someone a bit lefty I'm getting very annoyed at Kier haters. I've no time for people who'd rather spend their lives in opposition. I'm also annoyed at how far that the party has had to agree with failed right wing rhetoric to get elected. I don't think they'll stick to it. It'll be an interesting few years having a right wing labour party again.

One thing you can be sure of is that the tory party is not being ran as a rigid well oiled machine. I could light a bin fire, walk away, come back three hours later, and have more confidence in it being sorted than I think the average Tory does in Rishi right now.

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768 said:

Rayner, barely touching on policy under the scrutiny that is GMB, has been talking about stopping landlords asking for 6-12 month deposits. The current cap is set at 5 weeks.

Meanwhile her boss, also dealing with the important issues of the day, has answered that striker Dennis Bergkamp was Arsenal's greatest midfielder.

Bloody Gooners

[DeejRC]

cheesejunkie said:

DeejRC said:

It will be interesting to see what “scandals” bubble up during the next Labour govt. It will be a good indication as to how the party is being run, how rigid, how controlled and competent a machine it is. They keep Mandy around either controlling the reigns or guiding those who now do and it well be a very slick operation. Of course, the Labour Party being the Labour Party, that just means the left will try to start an internal war.

There will be scandals but it would take some effort to match the tory ones. Scandals aren't scandals until someone talks about them.

The scandals will be overhyped by some of the usual suspects who'd not bat an eyelid if a Tory did the same thing.

Such is politics.

Not so sure on the last line. I think Keir, as did Tony, has made sure he holds more cards. They'll be a pain in the arse but they won't win, in the first term.

As someone a bit lefty I'm getting very annoyed at Kier haters. I've no time for people who'd rather spend their lives in opposition. I'm also annoyed at how far that the party has had to agree with failed right wing rhetoric to get elected. I don't think they'll stick to it. It'll be an interesting few years having a right wing labour party again.

One thing you can be sure of is that the tory party is not being ran as a rigid well oiled machine. I could light a bin fire, walk away, come back three hours later, and have more confidence in it being sorted than I think the average Tory does in Rishi right now.

The Tory Party as a whole and No10 Operation hasn’t been well run since Dom and Carrie decided to turn their spat into outright war. I think Zippy, George and Bungle could have done a better job.

I don’t think the Left will win either, I did say *try* to start an internal war, not that they would win it. Like you I also think SKS has made sure he holds all the cards, equally though I think that level of control will be what sparks the professional “you can’t tell me what to do!” brigade that the Labour Left frequently resembles.