Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
philv said:
If the conservatives had stuck with Boris theyd be getting reelected on 4th july.
This isn't down to Boris.
It's down to the tory infighting and changes of leadership.
This country is going to be screwed by a hard left government because the torys could not present a unified front.
Hard left government? This isn't down to Boris.
It's down to the tory infighting and changes of leadership.
This country is going to be screwed by a hard left government because the torys could not present a unified front.
Ah more, 'Project Fear Labour' cobblers. Got it.
Using the same fantasy rationale I could blather on about there being a hard right government if the Conservatives get re-elected, after a combined Braverman\Farage coup at the head of a baying Tufton Street mob.
Gecko1978 said:
Just like with Zed sooner ot later I agree with Stewie thr conservatives are going to loose not because labour are better but because they the torys destroyed themselves
Exactly. Sunak is in the somewhat unique position of captaining the Titanic whilst having a map of the icebergs and aiming for every single one of them.As a result, it's looking like Labour have a good chance of getting a super-majority not through competence but through the public being absolutely sick to death of the incumbents while Sunak runs possibly the worst election campaign ever.
The truth is, apart from the hard left Eeyoring cobblers on here, Labour have pretty much had a free pass during this campaign, and the press spotlight has not been shone on them or their policies really as Sunak is too busy gesticulating to the press at the open goal he is presenting.
So apart from one or two soundbites, and the VAT on private schools headline, there hasn't been much said at all. There has certainly nothing being shown that would persuade me to vote for them.
BigMon said:
Gecko1978 said:
Just like with Zed sooner ot later I agree with Stewie thr conservatives are going to loose not because labour are better but because they the torys destroyed themselves
Exactly. Sunak is in the somewhat unique position of captaining the Titanic whilst having a map of the icebergs and aiming for every single one of them.As a result, it's looking like Labour have a good chance of getting a super-majority not through competence but through the public being absolutely sick to death of the incumbents while Sunak runs possibly the worst election campaign ever.
The truth is, apart from the hard left Eeyoring cobblers on here, Labour have pretty much had a free pass during this campaign, and the press spotlight has not been shone on them or their policies really as Sunak is too busy gesticulating to the press at the open goal he is presenting.
So apart from one or two soundbites, and the VAT on private schools headline, there hasn't been much said at all. There has certainly nothing being shown that would persuade me to vote for them.
turbobloke said:
BigMon said:
Gecko1978 said:
Just like with Zed sooner ot later I agree with Stewie thr conservatives are going to loose not because labour are better but because they the torys destroyed themselves
Exactly. Sunak is in the somewhat unique position of captaining the Titanic whilst having a map of the icebergs and aiming for every single one of them.As a result, it's looking like Labour have a good chance of getting a super-majority not through competence but through the public being absolutely sick to death of the incumbents while Sunak runs possibly the worst election campaign ever.
The truth is, apart from the hard left Eeyoring cobblers on here, Labour have pretty much had a free pass during this campaign, and the press spotlight has not been shone on them or their policies really as Sunak is too busy gesticulating to the press at the open goal he is presenting.
So apart from one or two soundbites, and the VAT on private schools headline, there hasn't been much said at all. There has certainly nothing being shown that would persuade me to vote for them.
BigMon said:
turbobloke said:
Good summary.
And it gives me no pleasure whatsoever to make that summary. I was listening to Tobias Ellwood on 5 Live half an hour ago and he gave a pretty sobering summary of the state of modern politicians vs the politicians of previous generations.
ts and fibbertigibbets have trained the public to expect no substance at all; Blair started this propensity for content-free bullst but CMD and successors have utterly destroyed meaningful political discourse.turbobloke said:
Not this again! Johnson and Truss did the work, with icing on the cake from Sunak;s gaffes. Starmer breathed air as it happened.
If you missed the Lord Ashcfoft and Guardian links, Starmer has failed to win hearts and minds, voters tend to prefer Tory policy but dislike the Tories more, and won't vote for them due to the people. Self-inflicted.
Incorrect]If you missed the Lord Ashcfoft and Guardian links, Starmer has failed to win hearts and minds, voters tend to prefer Tory policy but dislike the Tories more, and won't vote for them due to the people. Self-inflicted.
Starmer changed the party
There is considerable difference between the ideals of Rachel Reeves and those of John McDonnell for example
You might not like that but there it is.
I don't need to look at selected links to realise and point out that as per the title Keir Starmer has revived the Labour Party
768 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I'm sure at some point something will come up at some point but genuinely is nobody even a tiny bit surprised at the utter lack of scandal in the Labour party in comparison to the Conservatives?
I appreciate you're too new to politics to understand this, but it's how it works when you're in government. The Conservatives were seen to be scandal free during the scandalous last Labour government, before which the Conservatives were the party of scandals.It will be Labour's turn again next.
Labour is set to abandon its promise to scrap university tuition fees in England if it wins power, its leader has said. Sir Keir Starmer told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the party was "likely to move on from that commitment", blaming the economic backdrop. The Labour leader pledged to support getting rid of fees in his 2020 leadership campaign.
No climbing out of the labour cess pit for the less well off.
No climbing out of the labour cess pit for the less well off.
philv said:
Labour is set to abandon its promise to scrap university tuition fees in England if it wins power, its leader has said. Sir Keir Starmer told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the party was "likely to move on from that commitment", blaming the economic backdrop. The Labour leader pledged to support getting rid of fees in his 2020 leadership campaign.
No climbing out of the labour cess pit for the less well off.
Well what a surprise.No climbing out of the labour cess pit for the less well off.
What’s the next thing he is going to u turn on?
philv said:
Labour is set to abandon its promise to scrap university tuition fees in England if it wins power, its leader has said. Sir Keir Starmer told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the party was "likely to move on from that commitment", blaming the economic backdrop. The Labour leader pledged to support getting rid of fees in his 2020 leadership campaign.
No climbing out of the labour cess pit for the less well off.
Why have you quoted a year old BBC article? No climbing out of the labour cess pit for the less well off.
Derek Smith said:
What justification can there be for what is an expensive item, out of reach for most of the population and enjoyed by, as you suggest, a 'minority'?
Education isn’t subject to VAT, there’s a reason for that. Universities are private, profit-making institutions. Presumably the politics of envy simpletons are calling for VAT on their fees too?
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:philv said:
Labour is set to abandon its promise to scrap university tuition fees in England if it wins power, its leader has said. Sir Keir Starmer told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the party was "likely to move on from that commitment", blaming the economic backdrop. The Labour leader pledged to support getting rid of fees in his 2020 leadership campaign.
No climbing out of the labour cess pit for the less well off.
Why have you quoted a year old BBC article? No climbing out of the labour cess pit for the less well off.
By posting it now those with children wanting to go to University will read that and think "well I was going to vote Labour as it looks like they could be competent"
Now I won't because our twins Steve and Rosetta want to go to university and I was hoping that the fees would be cancelled by a Labour government but I think I will stick with the Tories because whilst they seem like they are really carp and untrustworthy and spend a lot of time down at William Hills they don't do many U turns.
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