Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
This is reassuring after how many of the Windrush generation have been treated.
Yvette Cooper promises Labour would ‘turn the page’ on Windrush scandal
Yvette Cooper promises Labour would ‘turn the page’ on Windrush scandal
biggbn said:
I just watched the QT from the other night and thought both Starmer and Sunak were pretty poor. Stsrmer really is a hollow, vacuous man isn't he?
The polls are holding up, so is Starmer in that where he is now is where he was in April.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/22/l...
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: This is reassuring after how many of the Windrush generation have been treated.
Yvette Cooper promises Labour would ‘turn the page’ on Windrush scandal
Certainly need to sort out the compensation. Yvette Cooper promises Labour would ‘turn the page’ on Windrush scandal
biggbn said:
I just watched the QT from the other night and thought both Starmer and Sunak were pretty poor. Stsrmer really is a hollow, vacuous man isn't he?
Interestingly, I thought that Starmer and Davey both came across quite well. Sunak came across badly.
I'm not sure what people are wanting from Starmer at this point? We had a raconteur (of sorts) shagger in Johnson. We had posh, but salesman-esque, Cameron. We had an old style lefty in Corbyn. We had a right wing libertarian loon in Truss.
MC Bodge said:
biggbn said:
I just watched the QT from the other night and thought both Starmer and Sunak were pretty poor. Stsrmer really is a hollow, vacuous man isn't he?
Interestingly, I thought that Starmer and Davey both came across quite well. Sunak came across badly.
I'm not sure what people are wanting from Starmer at this point? We had a raconteur (of sorts) shagger in Johnson. We had posh, but salesman-esque, Cameron. We had an old style lefty in Corbyn. We had a right wing libertarian loon in Truss.
MC Bodge said:
I'm not sure what people are wanting from Starmer at this point? We had a raconteur (of sorts) shagger in Johnson. We had posh, but salesman-esque, Cameron. We had an old style lefty in Corbyn. We had a right wing libertarian loon in Truss.
He is a simple biggbn said:
Starmer did his usual squirm and avoid, unconvincing for me...if you are suggesting he was better than Sunak, that's not really a high bar is it?
It is not a high bar, but it is true.Starmer may not fully satisfy all people from all points of the political compass, but he does come across as significantly better than Sunak.
What do you want to see from a party leader/PM?
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MC Bodge said:
I'm not sure what people are wanting from Starmer at this point? We had a raconteur (of sorts) shagger in Johnson. We had posh, but salesman-esque, Cameron. We had an old style lefty in Corbyn. We had a right wing libertarian loon in Truss.
He is a simple CoolHands said:
MC Bodge said:
Starmer .., but he does come across as significantly better than Sunak.
No he doesn’t. He different, not better. I don’t know your posting history but assume you are a Labour supporter as your post appears biased.I am not a "Labour supporter", although I will probably vote for them this time. I wasn't a fan of Blair in 1997.
I'm not sure what your point is. How could Starmer be better in your view? Sunak is floundering.
Starmer is managing the difficult task of keeping Labour together for now.
Sunak is definitely not keeping the Tories together.
What remains of The Tories is appalling.
Edited by MC Bodge on Saturday 22 June 10:53
BigMon said:
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I think they will meddle around the edges and achieve the square root of fork all. Just the same as another Conservative term with their clownish front bench.
I'm not sure about the above - labour will have come in with an unprecedented (usually over used and seemingly not this time) majority and ability (mandate was intentionally not used here) to do whatever they set out to do. Starmer personally will be the strongest position possible having delivered that victory. They can ram home any changes they want easily for at minimum the first half of their term. That absolutely could not be possible with another conservative term that somehow squeaked home where the PM would have to go to every faction with a begging bowl to get anything done. If Labour simply fiddle around the edges and be 'tories just not called that's and continue the bumbling of the past 3 years, in many respects it would be dar more damning on them.I think they will meddle around the edges and achieve the square root of fork all. Just the same as another Conservative term with their clownish front bench.
MC Bodge said:
biggbn said:
Starmer did his usual squirm and avoid, unconvincing for me...if you are suggesting he was better than Sunak, that's not really a high bar is it?
It is not a high bar, but it is true.Starmer may not fully satisfy all people from all points of the political compass, but he does come across as significantly better than Sunak.
What do you want to see from a party leader/PM?
biggbn said:
Someone who doesn't avoid, evade and bluster his way through interviews, someone who has a backbone and displays loyalty and integrity, someone who I can trust. Those things. And I don't think I'm being unreasonable...
But what do you actually want him to commit to, that won't scare the horses? That enough people will feel safe to vote for? biggbn said:
Someone who doesn't avoid, evade and bluster his way through interviews, someone who has a backbone and displays loyalty and integrity, someone who I can trust. Those things. And I don't think I'm being unreasonable...
Not at all and Starmer has none of those qualities. However not have any of the others although in the last tv interview Sunak came out a lot better. Too little far too late. Sunak has not come across well in anything that I have seen or heard in the GE campaign. He doesn't appear to have much political ability either. Maybe people see what they want to see?
Starmer has come across better recently than he has previously. Yvette Cooper is an asset for Labour.
Davey is not often very inspiring, is strongest only really on issues about caring for relatives with health issues, but came across well in QT. Daisy Cooper has been good in her appearances.
Starmer has come across better recently than he has previously. Yvette Cooper is an asset for Labour.
Davey is not often very inspiring, is strongest only really on issues about caring for relatives with health issues, but came across well in QT. Daisy Cooper has been good in her appearances.
MC Bodge said:
Sunak has not come across well in anything that I have seen or heard in the GE campaign. He doesn't appear to have much political ability either. Maybe people see what they want to see?
Starmer has come across better recently than he has previously. Yvette Cooper is an asset for Labour.
Davey is not often very inspiring, is strongest only really on issues about caring for relatives with health issues, but came across well in QT. Daisy Cooper has been good in her appearances.
I think that's fair.Starmer has come across better recently than he has previously. Yvette Cooper is an asset for Labour.
Davey is not often very inspiring, is strongest only really on issues about caring for relatives with health issues, but came across well in QT. Daisy Cooper has been good in her appearances.
Starmer still seems awkward sometimes i.e. you'd have thought after a week he'd have a coherent answer for the inevitable questions about his support for Corbyn but he still made himself look daft and unprepared for being asked.
But I do think when you put them both in front of the public, as in normal people not their advisors and party members pretending to be the public, Starmer has grown on me and simply seems to "get it" more than Sunak does.
biggbn said:
Someone who doesn't avoid, evade and bluster his way through interviews, someone who has a backbone and displays loyalty and integrity, someone who I can trust. Those things. And I don't think I'm being unreasonable...
May I ask is who do you think does display those qualities that you could vote for?It’s all very well saying we want professionalism, accountability and integrity (where have we heard that before
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