Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court
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Panamax said:
Johnnybee said:
Will the marriage survive now that he is free? They got together when he was under house arrest I think.
Apparently heading for Australia with the kids. Whether they'll all be pleased to be there is a different question,https://uk.news.yahoo.com/julian-assange-wife-stel...
Still, a whole lot more fortunate than Chelsea Manning.
RSTurboPaul said:
tangerine_sedge said:
Bonefish Blues said:
So was he some kind of naïve idealist or a pawn of dark powers or something else entirely?
I think that he was quite naive, enjoyed the limelight, and was used by the Russian state as a useful idiot to "front up" their hacked data and get it published to embarass the West.He didn't care what information went into the public domain, and more than likely some people died when their identities were compromised because of the data that he unthinkingly released.
RSTurboPaul said:
tangerine_sedge said:
Bonefish Blues said:
So was he some kind of naïve idealist or a pawn of dark powers or something else entirely?
I think that he was quite naive, enjoyed the limelight, and was used by the Russian state as a useful idiot to "front up" their hacked data and get it published to embarass the West.He didn't care what information went into the public domain, and more than likely some people died when their identities were compromised because of the data that he unthinkingly released.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-21/julian-assa...
Bonefish Blues said:
RSTurboPaul said:
tangerine_sedge said:
Bonefish Blues said:
So was he some kind of naïve idealist or a pawn of dark powers or something else entirely?
I think that he was quite naive, enjoyed the limelight, and was used by the Russian state as a useful idiot to "front up" their hacked data and get it published to embarass the West.He didn't care what information went into the public domain, and more than likely some people died when their identities were compromised because of the data that he unthinkingly released.
andyA700 said:
Bonefish Blues said:
RSTurboPaul said:
tangerine_sedge said:
Bonefish Blues said:
So was he some kind of naïve idealist or a pawn of dark powers or something else entirely?
I think that he was quite naive, enjoyed the limelight, and was used by the Russian state as a useful idiot to "front up" their hacked data and get it published to embarass the West.He didn't care what information went into the public domain, and more than likely some people died when their identities were compromised because of the data that he unthinkingly released.
Edited by Bonefish Blues on Wednesday 26th June 10:58
g4ry13 said:
CoolHands said:
So what happened to the sexual assault / rape charges? Just went away did they?
Standard ploy to try discredit / cancel people. Wouldn't be surprised if it was totally fabricated. andyA700 said:
g4ry13 said:
CoolHands said:
So what happened to the sexual assault / rape charges? Just went away did they?
Standard ploy to try discredit / cancel people. Wouldn't be surprised if it was totally fabricated. Bonefish Blues said:
andyA700 said:
g4ry13 said:
CoolHands said:
So what happened to the sexual assault / rape charges? Just went away did they?
Standard ploy to try discredit / cancel people. Wouldn't be surprised if it was totally fabricated. I think, in such cases, the complainant's wishes are inviolable. They've gone through enough and their first consideration should be recovery. To continue with the case was another violation of them.
tangerine_sedge said:
RSTurboPaul said:
tangerine_sedge said:
Bonefish Blues said:
So was he some kind of naïve idealist or a pawn of dark powers or something else entirely?
I think that he was quite naive, enjoyed the limelight, and was used by the Russian state as a useful idiot to "front up" their hacked data and get it published to embarass the West.He didn't care what information went into the public domain, and more than likely some people died when their identities were compromised because of the data that he unthinkingly released.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-21/julian-assa...
ABC article said:
But on Wednesday, Barrister Clair Dobbin KC, acting for the US, told the court Mr Assange and his WikiLeaks platform were not "ordinary journalists or publishers".
She said Mr Assange had encouraged Manning to "steal" classified documents and that lives had been put at risk by the Australian's decision to "knowingly publish the materials with the names unredacted".
"These are people who had to leave their homes, flee their homelands, because they had been identified in the state department cables," Ms Dobbin told the court.
She said there were "individuals who have subsequently disappeared since the publication of the cables", adding: "Many of them lived in war zones or under oppressive regimes."
I am wondering why they can't just publish the names specifically - they've already been leaked by wikileaks, they have already 'disappeared'... why not name them as individuals needing assistance or suspected to have been killed by undesirable regimes?She said Mr Assange had encouraged Manning to "steal" classified documents and that lives had been put at risk by the Australian's decision to "knowingly publish the materials with the names unredacted".
"These are people who had to leave their homes, flee their homelands, because they had been identified in the state department cables," Ms Dobbin told the court.
She said there were "individuals who have subsequently disappeared since the publication of the cables", adding: "Many of them lived in war zones or under oppressive regimes."
Or are they saying that they might be in hiding somewhere? But even if that is the case, presumably nation states already have them on their radar and them 'disappearing' after wikileaks information comes out makes them look suspicious enough to tie them to the wikileaks stuff?
I dunno - I can see both sides of the coin.
RSTurboPaul said:
I am wondering why they can't just publish the names specifically - they've already been leaked by wikileaks, they have already 'disappeared'... why not name them as individuals needing assistance or suspected to have been killed by undesirable regimes?
Or are they saying that they might be in hiding somewhere? But even if that is the case, presumably nation states already have them on their radar and them 'disappearing' after wikileaks information comes out makes them look suspicious enough to tie them to the wikileaks stuff?
I dunno - I can see both sides of the coin.
There could be loads of reasons.Or are they saying that they might be in hiding somewhere? But even if that is the case, presumably nation states already have them on their radar and them 'disappearing' after wikileaks information comes out makes them look suspicious enough to tie them to the wikileaks stuff?
I dunno - I can see both sides of the coin.
Maybe their families would be put in harm's way? Maybe releasing these names would open up other names to risk.
JA's approach was childishly naive at best. The guy's a throbber who cares about nobody but himself and has the nerve to be moralistic when he behaves as he does. Just a shame we couldn't be shot of him sooner.
One would hope that, should he not fall victim to some unfortunate accident or health issue, that he will forever be looking over his shoulder for agents of US justice looking to find implement a permanent solution to the risk he poses. People died for his ego-fuelled stunts. Perhaps somewhere, someone will look to settle that score.
Don Roque said:
One would hope that, should he not fall victim to some unfortunate accident or health issue, that he will forever be looking over his shoulder for agents of US justice looking to find implement a permanent solution to the risk he poses. People died for his ego-fuelled stunts. Perhaps somewhere, someone will look to settle that score.
That seems a strong assertion without direct evidence, going from the previous few posts.Don Roque said:
One would hope that, should he not fall victim to some unfortunate accident or health issue, that he will forever be looking over his shoulder for agents of US justice looking to find implement a permanent solution to the risk he poses. People died for his ego-fuelled stunts. Perhaps somewhere, someone will look to settle that score.
No. I hope Bush, Obama, and Clinton spend some time looking over their shoulders for agents of justice. But I won't hold my breath.
Murph7355 said:
RSTurboPaul said:
I am wondering why they can't just publish the names specifically - they've already been leaked by wikileaks, they have already 'disappeared'... why not name them as individuals needing assistance or suspected to have been killed by undesirable regimes?
Or are they saying that they might be in hiding somewhere? But even if that is the case, presumably nation states already have them on their radar and them 'disappearing' after wikileaks information comes out makes them look suspicious enough to tie them to the wikileaks stuff?
I dunno - I can see both sides of the coin.
There could be loads of reasons.Or are they saying that they might be in hiding somewhere? But even if that is the case, presumably nation states already have them on their radar and them 'disappearing' after wikileaks information comes out makes them look suspicious enough to tie them to the wikileaks stuff?
I dunno - I can see both sides of the coin.
Maybe their families would be put in harm's way? Maybe releasing these names would open up other names to risk.
JA's approach was childishly naive at best. The guy's a throbber who cares about nobody but himself and has the nerve to be moralistic when he behaves as he does. Just a shame we couldn't be shot of him sooner.
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