Your Voting Intentions Part 2.0 (End Is Nigh)
Poll: Your Voting Intentions Part 2.0 (End Is Nigh)
Total Members Polled: 674
Discussion
A recent thought i had was is there any country out there who collectively likes their government and thinks they have done an alright job?
It totally baffles me how out of all the parties none are really liked, none seem to have normal or sensible views. Just impossible ideals perhaps.
You've got people who love labour or love reform but in a lot of cases they don't really love them, they just vote for them because they hate the opposition even more.
Its pretty sorry isn't it.
It totally baffles me how out of all the parties none are really liked, none seem to have normal or sensible views. Just impossible ideals perhaps.
You've got people who love labour or love reform but in a lot of cases they don't really love them, they just vote for them because they hate the opposition even more.
Its pretty sorry isn't it.
JagLover said:
RizzoTheRat said:
I sent in my postal vote last week.
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From all the commentary online many people already have. .
m3jappa said:
A recent thought i had was is there any country out there who collectively likes their government and thinks they have done an alright job?
It totally baffles me how out of all the parties none are really liked, none seem to have normal or sensible views. Just impossible ideals perhaps.
You've got people who love labour or love reform but in a lot of cases they don't really love them, they just vote for them because they hate the opposition even more.
Its pretty sorry isn't it.
Ukraine maybe?It totally baffles me how out of all the parties none are really liked, none seem to have normal or sensible views. Just impossible ideals perhaps.
You've got people who love labour or love reform but in a lot of cases they don't really love them, they just vote for them because they hate the opposition even more.
Its pretty sorry isn't it.
I was talking to my dad who traditionally was a toryish voter, he's always been middle of the road and generally aligned more with con than lab. Although like a lot of the population voted for Blair in that fateful election.
In the last 15 or so years he's been firmly lib dem, and I see why, they should change their name to the sensible party, as the only party who occupies the middle and doesn't make absurd claims as to things they know they won't be able to do. But they are a wasted vote because for some reason, whether it's a repressed conscientious objector vibe or something, they are incapable of standing up and fighting. If they had they would have been a shoe in at this election. As it stands the only thing they have done is shove the best part of 20 pieces of waste paper through my door in an inexplicable campaign of annoyance as to the wastage.
The way I see it is this. The small parties like Yorkshire party, respect (is that monster still going?), green party even. Are never going to make a government, so it's a waste of a vote.
The new middle parties, either the lib Dems or reform, who both do the middle totally different. One group play to sensible people but basically don't do anything, the other group shout populist nonsense to idiots and the gullible. While either "could" take power, we all know it won't happen. Waste of a vote.
Ultimately it is and always has been a 2 party country. Do you want to take your chances with labour, or presumably more of the same with cons? One groups been pretty dire, the other group might be better, might be much worse. Only one way to find out.
I do think the way we run government is totally wrong. Instead of an adversarial approach to doing everything it should be collaborative, instead of one side proposing something and the other side shooting it down because it's come from the other side, we should have a government that will debate it and work together. Can you imagine any (successful at least) business working like that? We might actually get big projects moving forward if they worked together instead of continuing debating class from 40 years ago.
In the last 15 or so years he's been firmly lib dem, and I see why, they should change their name to the sensible party, as the only party who occupies the middle and doesn't make absurd claims as to things they know they won't be able to do. But they are a wasted vote because for some reason, whether it's a repressed conscientious objector vibe or something, they are incapable of standing up and fighting. If they had they would have been a shoe in at this election. As it stands the only thing they have done is shove the best part of 20 pieces of waste paper through my door in an inexplicable campaign of annoyance as to the wastage.
The way I see it is this. The small parties like Yorkshire party, respect (is that monster still going?), green party even. Are never going to make a government, so it's a waste of a vote.
The new middle parties, either the lib Dems or reform, who both do the middle totally different. One group play to sensible people but basically don't do anything, the other group shout populist nonsense to idiots and the gullible. While either "could" take power, we all know it won't happen. Waste of a vote.
Ultimately it is and always has been a 2 party country. Do you want to take your chances with labour, or presumably more of the same with cons? One groups been pretty dire, the other group might be better, might be much worse. Only one way to find out.
I do think the way we run government is totally wrong. Instead of an adversarial approach to doing everything it should be collaborative, instead of one side proposing something and the other side shooting it down because it's come from the other side, we should have a government that will debate it and work together. Can you imagine any (successful at least) business working like that? We might actually get big projects moving forward if they worked together instead of continuing debating class from 40 years ago.
wildoliver said:
I was talking to my dad who traditionally was a toryish voter, he's always been middle of the road and generally aligned more with con than lab. Although like a lot of the population voted for Blair in that fateful election.
In the last 15 or so years he's been firmly lib dem, and I see why, they should change their name to the sensible party, as the only party who occupies the middle and doesn't make absurd claims as to things they know they won't be able to do. But they are a wasted vote because for some reason, whether it's a repressed conscientious objector vibe or something, they are incapable of standing up and fighting. If they had they would have been a shoe in at this election. As it stands the only thing they have done is shove the best part of 20 pieces of waste paper through my door in an inexplicable campaign of annoyance as to the wastage.
The way I see it is this. The small parties like Yorkshire party, respect (is that monster still going?), green party even. Are never going to make a government, so it's a waste of a vote.
The new middle parties, either the lib Dems or reform, who both do the middle totally different. One group play to sensible people but basically don't do anything, the other group shout populist nonsense to idiots and the gullible. While either "could" take power, we all know it won't happen. Waste of a vote.
Ultimately it is and always has been a 2 party country. Do you want to take your chances with labour, or presumably more of the same with cons? One groups been pretty dire, the other group might be better, might be much worse. Only one way to find out.
I do think the way we run government is totally wrong. Instead of an adversarial approach to doing everything it should be collaborative, instead of one side proposing something and the other side shooting it down because it's come from the other side, we should have a government that will debate it and work together. Can you imagine any (successful at least) business working like that? We might actually get big projects moving forward if they worked together instead of continuing debating class from 40 years ago.
To counter your argument I'm voting for the candiate I want to represent me. Overall governance is pretty much a foregone conclusion. In the last 15 or so years he's been firmly lib dem, and I see why, they should change their name to the sensible party, as the only party who occupies the middle and doesn't make absurd claims as to things they know they won't be able to do. But they are a wasted vote because for some reason, whether it's a repressed conscientious objector vibe or something, they are incapable of standing up and fighting. If they had they would have been a shoe in at this election. As it stands the only thing they have done is shove the best part of 20 pieces of waste paper through my door in an inexplicable campaign of annoyance as to the wastage.
The way I see it is this. The small parties like Yorkshire party, respect (is that monster still going?), green party even. Are never going to make a government, so it's a waste of a vote.
The new middle parties, either the lib Dems or reform, who both do the middle totally different. One group play to sensible people but basically don't do anything, the other group shout populist nonsense to idiots and the gullible. While either "could" take power, we all know it won't happen. Waste of a vote.
Ultimately it is and always has been a 2 party country. Do you want to take your chances with labour, or presumably more of the same with cons? One groups been pretty dire, the other group might be better, might be much worse. Only one way to find out.
I do think the way we run government is totally wrong. Instead of an adversarial approach to doing everything it should be collaborative, instead of one side proposing something and the other side shooting it down because it's come from the other side, we should have a government that will debate it and work together. Can you imagine any (successful at least) business working like that? We might actually get big projects moving forward if they worked together instead of continuing debating class from 40 years ago.
PositronicRay said:
wildoliver said:
I was talking to my dad who traditionally was a toryish voter, he's always been middle of the road and generally aligned more with con than lab. Although like a lot of the population voted for Blair in that fateful election.
In the last 15 or so years he's been firmly lib dem, and I see why, they should change their name to the sensible party, as the only party who occupies the middle and doesn't make absurd claims as to things they know they won't be able to do. But they are a wasted vote because for some reason, whether it's a repressed conscientious objector vibe or something, they are incapable of standing up and fighting. If they had they would have been a shoe in at this election. As it stands the only thing they have done is shove the best part of 20 pieces of waste paper through my door in an inexplicable campaign of annoyance as to the wastage.
The way I see it is this. The small parties like Yorkshire party, respect (is that monster still going?), green party even. Are never going to make a government, so it's a waste of a vote.
The new middle parties, either the lib Dems or reform, who both do the middle totally different. One group play to sensible people but basically don't do anything, the other group shout populist nonsense to idiots and the gullible. While either "could" take power, we all know it won't happen. Waste of a vote.
Ultimately it is and always has been a 2 party country. Do you want to take your chances with labour, or presumably more of the same with cons? One groups been pretty dire, the other group might be better, might be much worse. Only one way to find out.
I do think the way we run government is totally wrong. Instead of an adversarial approach to doing everything it should be collaborative, instead of one side proposing something and the other side shooting it down because it's come from the other side, we should have a government that will debate it and work together. Can you imagine any (successful at least) business working like that? We might actually get big projects moving forward if they worked together instead of continuing debating class from 40 years ago.
To counter your argument I'm voting for the candiate I want to represent me. Overall governance is pretty much a foregone conclusion. In the last 15 or so years he's been firmly lib dem, and I see why, they should change their name to the sensible party, as the only party who occupies the middle and doesn't make absurd claims as to things they know they won't be able to do. But they are a wasted vote because for some reason, whether it's a repressed conscientious objector vibe or something, they are incapable of standing up and fighting. If they had they would have been a shoe in at this election. As it stands the only thing they have done is shove the best part of 20 pieces of waste paper through my door in an inexplicable campaign of annoyance as to the wastage.
The way I see it is this. The small parties like Yorkshire party, respect (is that monster still going?), green party even. Are never going to make a government, so it's a waste of a vote.
The new middle parties, either the lib Dems or reform, who both do the middle totally different. One group play to sensible people but basically don't do anything, the other group shout populist nonsense to idiots and the gullible. While either "could" take power, we all know it won't happen. Waste of a vote.
Ultimately it is and always has been a 2 party country. Do you want to take your chances with labour, or presumably more of the same with cons? One groups been pretty dire, the other group might be better, might be much worse. Only one way to find out.
I do think the way we run government is totally wrong. Instead of an adversarial approach to doing everything it should be collaborative, instead of one side proposing something and the other side shooting it down because it's come from the other side, we should have a government that will debate it and work together. Can you imagine any (successful at least) business working like that? We might actually get big projects moving forward if they worked together instead of continuing debating class from 40 years ago.
As someone who has voted Tory in every election I have been eligible for I cannot bring myself to this time.
I always saw myself as a ‘Ken Clarke’ Tory. They have abandoned that side of their nature.
The Conservative Party always stood for fiscal prudence, low taxes, a resistance to faddism & competence.
The most efficient election winning machine in the democratic world.
The have trashed that.
May, Johnson, Truss & Sunak. Hopeless weather cock politicians.
I shall be voting Reform for one reason only and that is to assist in the final downfall of the Conservatives.
European Membership is gone, we can’t bring it back, now we are out we should use the opportunity to do something better, not to try & align ourselves as closely as possibly in the hope they’ll still be our friends.
I know that Reform won’t get it, but if it signals a mood in the country that Labour can’t just tax & spend their way through the next (probably 3 terms) then it is worthwhile.
I always saw myself as a ‘Ken Clarke’ Tory. They have abandoned that side of their nature.
The Conservative Party always stood for fiscal prudence, low taxes, a resistance to faddism & competence.
The most efficient election winning machine in the democratic world.
The have trashed that.
May, Johnson, Truss & Sunak. Hopeless weather cock politicians.
I shall be voting Reform for one reason only and that is to assist in the final downfall of the Conservatives.
European Membership is gone, we can’t bring it back, now we are out we should use the opportunity to do something better, not to try & align ourselves as closely as possibly in the hope they’ll still be our friends.
I know that Reform won’t get it, but if it signals a mood in the country that Labour can’t just tax & spend their way through the next (probably 3 terms) then it is worthwhile.
fatbutt said:
Stick Legs said:
The Conservative Party always stood for fiscal prudence, low taxes, a resistance to faddism & competence.
They certainly resist competence, I don't think there's much argument there Competence?
JagLover said:
RizzoTheRat said:
I sent in my postal vote last week.
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From all the commentary online many people already have. .
uk66fastback said:
I think you'll find he did qualify but that lapsed when he went into telly. He's actually quite good on TalkTV. Wears nice shirts,
Never practiced beyond what would be FY2 today; technically a doctor, but off the train well before the terminus.The shirts dovetail nicely with my previous menage a trois description; good stuff for a 45yo divorcee out on a date, but not for work, even TV work.
Stick Legs said:
As someone who has voted Tory in every election I have been eligible for I cannot bring myself to this time.
I always saw myself as a ‘Ken Clarke’ Tory. They have abandoned that side of their nature.
The Conservative Party always stood for fiscal prudence, low taxes, a resistance to faddism & competence.
The most efficient election winning machine in the democratic world.
The have trashed that.
May, Johnson, Truss & Sunak. Hopeless weather cock politicians.
I shall be voting Reform for one reason only and that is to assist in the final downfall of the Conservatives.
European Membership is gone, we can’t bring it back, now we are out we should use the opportunity to do something better, not to try & align ourselves as closely as possibly in the hope they’ll still be our friends.
I know that Reform won’t get it, but if it signals a mood in the country that Labour can’t just tax & spend their way through the next (probably 3 terms) then it is worthwhile.
Pretty sure Ken Clarke wouldn’t support that decision! Look at Reform’s policies and their awful candidates. I know you can hold your nose, but come on - they stink!I always saw myself as a ‘Ken Clarke’ Tory. They have abandoned that side of their nature.
The Conservative Party always stood for fiscal prudence, low taxes, a resistance to faddism & competence.
The most efficient election winning machine in the democratic world.
The have trashed that.
May, Johnson, Truss & Sunak. Hopeless weather cock politicians.
I shall be voting Reform for one reason only and that is to assist in the final downfall of the Conservatives.
European Membership is gone, we can’t bring it back, now we are out we should use the opportunity to do something better, not to try & align ourselves as closely as possibly in the hope they’ll still be our friends.
I know that Reform won’t get it, but if it signals a mood in the country that Labour can’t just tax & spend their way through the next (probably 3 terms) then it is worthwhile.
wildoliver said:
Ultimately it is and always has been a 2 party country
First past the post requires a tribe that holds more than half of the seats. wildoliver said:
I do think the way we run government is totally wrong. Instead of an adversarial approach to doing everything it should be collaborative, instead of one side proposing something and the other side shooting it down because it's come from the other side, we should have a government that will debate it and work together. Can you imagine any (successful at least) business working like that? We might actually get big projects moving forward if they worked together instead of continuing debating class from 40 years ago.
That is the UK system, in government and in the legal system. It is very deeply rooted. Some argue that it is a good thing, others not.m3jappa said:
A recent thought i had was is there any country out there who collectively likes their government and thinks they have done an alright job?
It totally baffles me how out of all the parties none are really liked, none seem to have normal or sensible views. Just impossible ideals perhaps.
You've got people who love labour or love reform but in a lot of cases they don't really love them, they just vote for them because they hate the opposition even more.
Its pretty sorry isn't it.
It's a genuinely sad state of affairs. Look at the feeling around the country just before Blairs first win, regardless of how that ended up in the long run at the time it felt people were voting for something positive. A couple of elections later and it was all about negativity and voting against stuff and has only got worse.It totally baffles me how out of all the parties none are really liked, none seem to have normal or sensible views. Just impossible ideals perhaps.
You've got people who love labour or love reform but in a lot of cases they don't really love them, they just vote for them because they hate the opposition even more.
Its pretty sorry isn't it.
As mentioned I live in Rishi's constituency.
I had the Conservative canvasser round earlier, a very pleasant GP from London who was chatty and interesting in his own right (we usually get the wide-eyed party faithful who don't want to discuss, just to preach or try to scare you with the Labour bogeyman). He was however pretty much unsurprised when I said that despite finding Rishi a decent constiuency MP when he was just an MP, I wouldn't be voting for him as I couldn't endorse the prime minister he'd become or the party he was leader of.
Two things struck me:
I had the Conservative canvasser round earlier, a very pleasant GP from London who was chatty and interesting in his own right (we usually get the wide-eyed party faithful who don't want to discuss, just to preach or try to scare you with the Labour bogeyman). He was however pretty much unsurprised when I said that despite finding Rishi a decent constiuency MP when he was just an MP, I wouldn't be voting for him as I couldn't endorse the prime minister he'd become or the party he was leader of.
Two things struck me:
- He's had to bus in canvassing support from London, previously there were more than enough party activists locally to do this
- The guy at the door wasn't in the least bit surprised and in many ways agreed with my reasons for not voting for him, we had a 15 minute chat and I found I actually was talking to someone who thought the same, but I think was a friend of Rishi's and had agreed to come and do some door-knocking.
MC Bodge said:
S600BSB said:
Pretty sure Ken Clarke wouldn’t support that decision! Look at Reform’s policies and their awful candidates. I know you can hold your nose, but come on - they stink!
Choosing to endorse (even if believing/pretending not to) by voting for them seems awful to me.But Labour are not where I am.
If you vote LibDem, even if they don’t get in, you are still adding to the percentage of the electorate that think high taxes & ludicrous spending plans are okay.
Reform are never going to enter government but the (I suspect large number) of people who vote for them will at least indicate to the incoming Labour government that you have to sort illegal immigration out and you can’t do it by taxing income any more than it is.
That’s it.
The choices don’t delight me at this election but where I am (Tiverton & Minehead) it’s going to be LibDem or Conservative anyway.
wildoliver said:
I was talking to my dad who traditionally was a toryish voter, he's always been middle of the road and generally aligned more with con than lab. Although like a lot of the population voted for Blair in that fateful election.
In the last 15 or so years he's been firmly lib dem, and I see why, they should change their name to the sensible party, as the only party who occupies the middle and doesn't make absurd claims as to things they know they won't be able to do. But they are a wasted vote because for some reason, whether it's a repressed conscientious objector vibe or something, they are incapable of standing up and fighting. If they had they would have been a shoe in at this election. As it stands the only thing they have done is shove the best part of 20 pieces of waste paper through my door in an inexplicable campaign of annoyance as to the wastage.
The way I see it is this. The small parties like Yorkshire party, respect (is that monster still going?), green party even. Are never going to make a government, so it's a waste of a vote.
The new middle parties, either the lib Dems or reform, who both do the middle totally different. One group play to sensible people but basically don't do anything, the other group shout populist nonsense to idiots and the gullible. While either "could" take power, we all know it won't happen. Waste of a vote.
Ultimately it is and always has been a 2 party country. Do you want to take your chances with labour, or presumably more of the same with cons? One groups been pretty dire, the other group might be better, might be much worse. Only one way to find out.
I do think the way we run government is totally wrong. Instead of an adversarial approach to doing everything it should be collaborative, instead of one side proposing something and the other side shooting it down because it's come from the other side, we should have a government that will debate it and work together. Can you imagine any (successful at least) business working like that? We might actually get big projects moving forward if they worked together instead of continuing debating class from 40 years ago.
No such thing as a wasted vote. Not voting or spoiling is a wasted vote.In the last 15 or so years he's been firmly lib dem, and I see why, they should change their name to the sensible party, as the only party who occupies the middle and doesn't make absurd claims as to things they know they won't be able to do. But they are a wasted vote because for some reason, whether it's a repressed conscientious objector vibe or something, they are incapable of standing up and fighting. If they had they would have been a shoe in at this election. As it stands the only thing they have done is shove the best part of 20 pieces of waste paper through my door in an inexplicable campaign of annoyance as to the wastage.
The way I see it is this. The small parties like Yorkshire party, respect (is that monster still going?), green party even. Are never going to make a government, so it's a waste of a vote.
The new middle parties, either the lib Dems or reform, who both do the middle totally different. One group play to sensible people but basically don't do anything, the other group shout populist nonsense to idiots and the gullible. While either "could" take power, we all know it won't happen. Waste of a vote.
Ultimately it is and always has been a 2 party country. Do you want to take your chances with labour, or presumably more of the same with cons? One groups been pretty dire, the other group might be better, might be much worse. Only one way to find out.
I do think the way we run government is totally wrong. Instead of an adversarial approach to doing everything it should be collaborative, instead of one side proposing something and the other side shooting it down because it's come from the other side, we should have a government that will debate it and work together. Can you imagine any (successful at least) business working like that? We might actually get big projects moving forward if they worked together instead of continuing debating class from 40 years ago.
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