Your Voting Intentions Part 2.0 (End Is Nigh)

[Hants PHer]

MC Bodge said:

And yet you are considering voting Tory, or Reform as a dirty protest, but definitely not Labour?

Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 25th June 18:34

Yes, because I think Labour would be worse than either Conservative or Reform. Put it this way: Tories 3/10, Reform 2/10, Labour 1/10.
As I say, a very poor choice, but I'll vote for the least worst option. Thin gruel indeed.

[Tango13]

In the first poll I originally voted 'spoilt paper' but having read a flyer from the reform party I'm torn between conservative, blue rosette on a pig round here or independent candidate.

Anything to ensure the reform candidate doesn't get in.

[eharding]

uk66fastback said:

AmyRichardson said:

Tricky looking at my candidates.

Reform - David Bull, a guy who never finished his medical education and became a TV faux-doctor, and a presenter of any daytime trash that pays. Imagine the love child of threeway between Liberace, Farage and David Dickinson. Do not want.

I think you'll find he did qualify but that lapsed when he went into telly. He's actually quite good on TalkTV. Wears nice shirts,

Reform party standard brown twill?

[markh1973]

Hants PHer said:

MC Bodge said:

And yet you are considering voting Tory, or Reform as a dirty protest, but definitely not Labour?

Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 25th June 18:34

Yes, because I think Labour would be worse than either Conservative or Reform. Put it this way: Tories 3/10, Reform 2/10, Labour 1/10.
As I say, a very poor choice, but I'll vote for the least worst option. Thin gruel indeed.

I can just about, at a very large stretch, understand suggesting that Conservative could be worse than Labour. I disagree but see that not everyone will.

However, Reform - a party whose policies are in the fairyland school of economics, many of whose candidates have very odd views - how can they possibly be a better option than Labour?

[hidetheelephants]

eharding said:

Reform party standard brown twill?

Big hats and Sam Brownes?

[Hants PHer]

markh1973 said:

I can just about, at a very large stretch, understand suggesting that Conservative could be worse than Labour. I disagree but see that not everyone will.

However, Reform - a party whose policies are in the fairyland school of economics, many of whose candidates have very odd views - how can they possibly be a better option than Labour?

Vote for Labour and the message to the Tories is one of rejection. It's not a protest vote in my opinion.
Vote for Reform, in a true blue constituency at least, and the message to the Tories is "look what you could have had" as someone once said. It signals, broadly speaking, the number of disaffected Conservatives who aren't wholly lost to the party. That's how I see it, anyway.

[markh1973]

Hants PHer said:

markh1973 said:

I can just about, at a very large stretch, understand suggesting that Conservative could be worse than Labour. I disagree but see that not everyone will.

However, Reform - a party whose policies are in the fairyland school of economics, many of whose candidates have very odd views - how can they possibly be a better option than Labour?

Vote for Labour and the message to the Tories is one of rejection. It's not a protest vote in my opinion.
Vote for Reform, in a true blue constituency at least, and the message to the Tories is "look what you could have had" as someone once said. It signals, broadly speaking, the number of disaffected Conservatives who aren't wholly lost to the party. That's how I see it, anyway.

Nigel and his Reform friends will however take your vote very differently.

I voted tory in the last election - my message to both them and Reform will be by way of not voting for either of them. It won't make any difference my constituency will stay Tory.

[Hants PHer]

markh1973 said:

Nigel and his Reform friends will however take your vote very differently.

I voted tory in the last election - my message to both them and Reform will be by way of not voting for either of them. It won't make any difference my constituency will stay Tory.

I'm not especially interested in what the Reform candidate might make of my vote, since they won't get in; I'm in a true blue seat. If I vote Reform it'll be to send a message to the Tories that I'm rather annoyed with them. Not voting at all is not an option for me, nor is spoiling my ballot paper.

[Four Litre]

CraigyMc said:

PH has a right bias.

I'm surprised reform doesn't have a lead at this time on this poll.

It definitely used to be more to the right. I would say the most prominent posters are now left wing. Look at some of the more fanatical topics in the news section.

I find its got so bad over the past year I'm surprised we don't have a soy latte section dedicated all to itself. All rather unpleasant.

[crofty1984]

Think I'm reluctantly going to Labour. It was Labour vs Lib Dem and I wrote to the main MPs vying for votes about transport policy, old cars, shift to EVs etc, which to be honest is one of the few policy things I care about. Both Lib Dem and Labour are planning to bring the EV deadline back to 2030, which isn't ideal, but my local Labour guy got back to me at least, and also has a Triumph Spitfire apparently.

Not that I'm a "hate all EVs" luddite, I have one as a daily and they make a lot of sense for a lot of people, but as a petrolhead I want to be able to continue a hobby that brings me joy. Cars are better than horses for getting about, but they didn't ban horses.

Even though I think SKS is a tt.

[i4got]

I sent emails to local Conservative, Labour and Reform candidates looking for personal & party views on a subject. Only response so far is the Conservative - not a great response to be honest - a bit waffly - but better than nothing.

[JagLover]

crofty1984 said:

Think I'm reluctantly going to Labour. It was Labour vs Lib Dem and I wrote to the main MPs vying for votes about transport policy, old cars, shift to EVs etc, which to be honest is one of the few policy things I care about. Both Lib Dem and Labour are planning to bring the EV deadline back to 2030, which isn't ideal, but my local Labour guy got back to me at least, and also has a Triumph Spitfire apparently.

Not that I'm a "hate all EVs" luddite, I have one as a daily and they make a lot of sense for a lot of people, but as a petrolhead I want to be able to continue a hobby that brings me joy. Cars are better than horses for getting about, but they didn't ban horses.

Tories made a great show of delaying the target, and then kept with the EV sales targets anyway, with penal fines for any manufacturer not meeting them.

So yet again they did one thing while pretending to do another. Labour might also just regard us as cattle to be farmed but they might lie less about it.

[i4got]

JagLover said:

crofty1984 said:

Think I'm reluctantly going to Labour. It was Labour vs Lib Dem and I wrote to the main MPs vying for votes about transport policy, old cars, shift to EVs etc, which to be honest is one of the few policy things I care about. Both Lib Dem and Labour are planning to bring the EV deadline back to 2030, which isn't ideal, but my local Labour guy got back to me at least, and also has a Triumph Spitfire apparently.

Not that I'm a "hate all EVs" luddite, I have one as a daily and they make a lot of sense for a lot of people, but as a petrolhead I want to be able to continue a hobby that brings me joy. Cars are better than horses for getting about, but they didn't ban horses.

Tories made a great show of delaying the target, and then kept with the EV sales targets anyway, with penal fines for any manufacturer not meeting them.

So yet again they did one thing while pretending to do another. Labour might also just regard us as cattle to be farmed but they might lie less about it.

Might want to have a read up on Labours 'dash for diesel' despite knowing it was worse for air quality.

[RizzoTheRat]

I sent in my postal vote last week.
I quite like the idea of the "Hampshire Independents" guy being an ex-RAF, ex-copper turned local businessman, but his statement to voters contains bugger all useful information on his views on key issues other than that he likes kitkats.
However the constituency has always been a 2 horse race between conservative and labour (58% and 22% in the last election), so any vote for anyone other than labour or conservative is a wasted vote IMO.

[S600BSB]

JagLover said:

Tories made a great show of delaying the target, and then kept with the EV sales targets anyway, with penal fines for any manufacturer not meeting them.

So yet again they did one thing while pretending to do another. Labour might also just regard us as cattle to be farmed but they might lie less about it.

Spot on. The 2030 target feels pretty irrelevant now as the mainstream manufacturers have already voted with their feet.

[MC Bodge]

Hants PHer said:

I'm not especially interested in what the Reform candidate might make of my vote, since they won't get in; I'm in a true blue seat. If I vote Reform it'll be to send a message to the Tories that I'm rather annoyed with them. Not voting at all is not an option for me, nor is spoiling my ballot paper.

If you vote Reform, it will signal to Reform that you are one of them and it will signal to some Tories that they need to become more like the modern pantomime Tories/Reform. The more sensible Tories are probably now ex-Tories anyway.

[Kermit power]

Hants PHer said:

Vote for Labour and the message to the Tories is one of rejection. It's not a protest vote in my opinion.
Vote for Reform, in a true blue constituency at least, and the message to the Tories is "look what you could have had" as someone once said. It signals, broadly speaking, the number of disaffected Conservatives who aren't wholly lost to the party. That's how I see it, anyway.

Problem is that it's likely to make the Tories think they could've won if they'd only been a little bit more racist.

[Sway]

Kermit power said:

Hants PHer said:

Vote for Labour and the message to the Tories is one of rejection. It's not a protest vote in my opinion.
Vote for Reform, in a true blue constituency at least, and the message to the Tories is "look what you could have had" as someone once said. It signals, broadly speaking, the number of disaffected Conservatives who aren't wholly lost to the party. That's how I see it, anyway.

Problem is that it's likely to make the Tories think they could've won if they'd only been a little bit more racist.

Yep. This is why I'm not 'sending a message' or 'voting for x so Y doesn't get in'.

[MC Bodge]

Sway said:

Kermit power said:

Hants PHer said:

Vote for Labour and the message to the Tories is one of rejection. It's not a protest vote in my opinion.
Vote for Reform, in a true blue constituency at least, and the message to the Tories is "look what you could have had" as someone once said. It signals, broadly speaking, the number of disaffected Conservatives who aren't wholly lost to the party. That's how I see it, anyway.

Problem is that it's likely to make the Tories think they could've won if they'd only been a little bit more racist.

Yep. This is why I'm not 'sending a message' or 'voting for x so Y doesn't get in'.

There is something to be said for tactical voting, but voting Reform isn't tactical voting -It encourages Reform and encourages the wrong sort of (loony) Tories.

[JagLover]

RizzoTheRat said:

I sent in my postal vote last week.
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From all the commentary online many people already have.