Macron calls a national election
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isaldiri said:
DeejRC said:
So Melonis Brothers mob I regularly banged the drum about on here prior to her/their election, because they are the real deal loonies. They have actually ended up being very restrained and pretty centrist. The reality of trying to govern Italy has simply made them like that..
That's a very roundabout way of admitting you were wrong 
Marine et al are, I suspect, going to find similar.
Mr Penguin said:
It would help if you said what you think makes someone far right and how it is different to just being right.
Traditionally the far is defined by its nationalist, nativist and reactionary tendencies. This contrasts with the mainstream European right which is primarily defined by orthodox fiscal positioning and a mild preference for social conservatism.Whether RN fall into one or other camp cleanly isn't clear. As is often the case with parties such as this, one has to look at their history and instincts, not just their manifesto and the face they've scrubbed for the electorate.
AmyRichardson said:
Whether RN fall into one or other camp cleanly isn't clear. As is often the case with parties such as this, one has to look at their history and instincts, not just their manifesto and the face they've scrubbed for the electorate.
If you have to guess "instincts" to decide if a party is far right, then they're not. France has suffered terribly at the hands of Fascism. Its improbable that they all voted for a "far right" regime. So most likely "far right" is just slander from opponents and a way for the media to generate clicks. (Interestingly, the media is also telling me that the "far left" did well to. I suspect the same. "Centre left and Centre right" aren't good bait.Hilariously, I just googled and the media don't routinely describe Orban as "far right" and he's literally a facist.
BikeBikeBIke said:
AmyRichardson said:
Whether RN fall into one or other camp cleanly isn't clear. As is often the case with parties such as this, one has to look at their history and instincts, not just their manifesto and the face they've scrubbed for the electorate.
If you have to guess "instincts" to decide if a party is far right, then they're not. France has suffered terribly at the hands of Fascism. Its improbable that they all voted for a "far right" regime. So most likely "far right" is just slander from opponents and a way for the media to generate clicks. (Interestingly, the media is also telling me that the "far left" did well to. I suspect the same. "Centre left and Centre right" aren't good bait.Hilariously, I just googled and the media don't routinely describe Orban as "far right" and he's literally a facist.
Talked to a French friend of mine last night, he tells me the choice is between a far left party who want to take at 90% above a certain threshold, and a far right party who would like to enforce a rule that only being with sole citizenship can hold certain higher offices. He's considering moving away.
Thom said:
Macron's liberal agenda has always been about destroying the country's cultural basics, which used to be shared by most sides of the political spectrum until he started tearing common good sense apart, in order to pave the way for a polarised society where the interest of private and foreign organisations prevail over the national interest. He has always been about splitting France apart by pushing at the top of the agenda topics that no one cares about and vastly irrelevant to how the country is supposed to work. The decision to dissolve the parliament was heavily influenced by private advisors defending foreign interests, and the best opportunity to break French society even further than it already was. Who will be the next prime minister is irrelevant as the goal of Macron and his liberal clique is to run the country down and ultimately weaken the Eurozone.
Excellent post. This is applicable to all European countries with centrist government fully aligned with the WEF agenda. stuckmojo said:
Thom said:
Macron's liberal agenda has always been about destroying the country's cultural basics, which used to be shared by most sides of the political spectrum until he started tearing common good sense apart, in order to pave the way for a polarised society where the interest of private and foreign organisations prevail over the national interest. He has always been about splitting France apart by pushing at the top of the agenda topics that no one cares about and vastly irrelevant to how the country is supposed to work. The decision to dissolve the parliament was heavily influenced by private advisors defending foreign interests, and the best opportunity to break French society even further than it already was. Who will be the next prime minister is irrelevant as the goal of Macron and his liberal clique is to run the country down and ultimately weaken the Eurozone.
Excellent post. This is applicable to all European countries with centrist government fully aligned with the WEF agenda. I suspect it'll be a very short honeymoon period.
thatsprettyshady said:
Talked to a French friend of mine last night, he tells me the choice is between a far left party who want to take at 90% above a certain threshold, and a far right party who would like to enforce a rule that only being with sole citizenship can hold certain higher offices. He's considering moving away.
I was talking to my French colleagues yesterday they said they might all look to move here (it was said in jest but shows how they feel) Although they reserved the biggest eye brow raise to the fact we vote on a week day they couldn't understand that. Edited by Wills2 on Tuesday 2nd July 08:23
Timothy Bucktu said:
And meanwhile, in the UK we're about to hammer the final nail into the UK coffin under Starmer and his band of merry Lefty loonies. They're not necessarily worse than the current Conservative crop...but they're willing to finish the job!
I suspect it'll be a very short honeymoon period.
I agree. There's a fag paper between the two parties these days, the policies - not the marketing - create the same confused, disjointed, corporate driven society which benefits no one other than those who need to sell into a demoralised and devalued population. I suspect it'll be a very short honeymoon period.
Kerniki said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
AmyRichardson said:
Whether RN fall into one or other camp cleanly isn't clear. As is often the case with parties such as this, one has to look at their history and instincts, not just their manifesto and the face they've scrubbed for the electorate.
If you have to guess "instincts" to decide if a party is far right, then they're not. France has suffered terribly at the hands of Fascism. Its improbable that they all voted for a "far right" regime. So most likely "far right" is just slander from opponents and a way for the media to generate clicks. (Interestingly, the media is also telling me that the "far left" did well to. I suspect the same. "Centre left and Centre right" aren't good bait.Hilariously, I just googled and the media don't routinely describe Orban as "far right" and he's literally a facist.
The fact nobody can, suggests to me they don't have any!
BikeBikeBIke said:
Link to some hard right intentions (or policies as intentions are referred to in elections).
The fact nobody can, suggests to me they don't have any!
No, it actually suggests you can't be bothered to do any research and/or don't want to hear it because you know they chime with your own personal outlook but you dislike the label.The fact nobody can, suggests to me they don't have any!
Even Wiki, a whole single click away, goes into deep, highly sourced detail on the party its origins and its idelogical foundations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rally
thatsprettyshady said:
Talked to a French friend of mine last night, he tells me the choice is between a far left party who want to take at 90% above a certain threshold, and a far right party who would like to enforce a rule that only being with sole citizenship can hold certain higher offices. He's considering moving away.
That’s the choice in the 2nd round, yes, but only because most people didn’t vote for the middle ground in the 1st!skwdenyer said:
thatsprettyshady said:
Talked to a French friend of mine last night, he tells me the choice is between a far left party who want to take at 90% above a certain threshold, and a far right party who would like to enforce a rule that only being with sole citizenship can hold certain higher offices. He's considering moving away.
That’s the choice in the 2nd round, yes, but only because most people didn’t vote for the middle ground in the 1st!President Merkin said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
Link to some hard right intentions (or policies as intentions are referred to in elections).
The fact nobody can, suggests to me they don't have any!
No, it actually suggests you can't be bothered to do any research and/or don't want to hear it because you know they chime with your own personal outlook but you dislike the label.The fact nobody can, suggests to me they don't have any!
Even Wiki, a whole single click away, goes into deep, highly sourced detail on the party its origins and its idelogical foundations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rally
The fact you've failed to makes me think you're lying. However let's give you a chance, state 5 clear fascist policies and you'll start to look credible. And I'll be able to tell you I disagree with them. In fact, if you're right, I'll be able to tell you I'd kill to stop them.
Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Tuesday 2nd July 14:11
BikeBikeBIke said:
Cite me the policies (the intention) you have in mind. That's how it works. You tell me that 50pc of French People habe become fascists, you have to back it up.
The fact you've failed to make me think you're lying, but, state 5 clear fascist policies and you'll start to look credible.
The fact you've failed to make me think you're lying, but, state 5 clear fascist policies and you'll start to look credible.
I'm not here to spoon feed your prejudice. You've been given the information you asked for. If you can't accept it, that's up to you. All I will add is a repetition of something that has been said before on this thread. RN have watered down their policy positions for electoral appeal, so your childish gimme demanding what did you say? five fascist policies? makes you look like someone who doesn't really belong in the chat on comprehension grounds.
Edited by President Merkin on Tuesday 2nd July 14:18
loafer123 said:
Isn’t it because the middle ground candidates are dropping out to deny a third option to voters?
In France there is always a runoff for the top 2 in the first round. The Macron ‘middle ground’ option was so despised they mostly got knocked out so it’s not a case of them dropping out.President Merkin said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
Cite me the policies (the intention) you have in mind. That's how it works. You tell me that 50pc of French People habe become fascists, you have to back it up.
The fact you've failed to make me think you're lying, but, state 5 clear fascist policies and you'll start to look credible.
The fact you've failed to make me think you're lying, but, state 5 clear fascist policies and you'll start to look credible.
I'm not here to spoon feed your prejudice. You've been given the information you asked for. If you can't accept it, that's up to you. All I will add is a repetition of something that has been said before on this thread. RN have watered down their policy positions for electoral appeal, so your childish gimme demanding what did you say? five fascist policies? makes you look like someone who doesn't really belong in the chat on comprehension grounds.
Edited by President Merkin on Tuesday 2nd July 14:18
....and "watered down far right" is not "far right". "Watered down far right" is conservative or centre right. By very definition!
Also raises the hilarious (and scary) prospect that you will be spending years hoping for death camps in France so you can win an Internet argument.
Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Tuesday 2nd July 14:40
isaldiri said:
loafer123 said:
Isn’t it because the middle ground candidates are dropping out to deny a third option to voters?
In France there is always a runoff for the top 2 in the first round. The Macron ‘middle ground’ option was so despised they mostly got knocked out so it’s not a case of them dropping out.President Merkin said:
No, it actually suggests you can't be bothered to do any research and/or don't want to hear it because you know they chime with your own personal outlook but you dislike the label.
I've seen you post this mendacious accusation a few times against various posters who disagree with you, who generally seem reasoned and moderate - "ah, you must be far right because you dislike the label..." It's abject and specious nonsense, hilarious reaching against anyone who disagrees with you
either that or it's blatant bait posting for a reaction.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff