45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)
Discussion
Byker28i said:
shakotan said:
Byker28i said:
After Jack Smith files about trumps gagging order, again quoting Thomas a Beckett and the request to rid of the troublesome priest, trump then posts on TS
"someone 'high up' should fire Letitia Peekaboo James, Fani Willis, Alvin Bragg and, of course, Deranged Jack Smith, They are KILLING our Country!"
Am I reading too much into that TS post, the emphasis on 'killing'?"someone 'high up' should fire Letitia Peekaboo James, Fani Willis, Alvin Bragg and, of course, Deranged Jack Smith, They are KILLING our Country!"
Fifty said:
I don’t generally comment on this thread but have been an avid reader since I can’t remember when.
Whilst I hugely appreciate both Byker’s reporting efforts and cgt’s unwavering belief that Trump won’t even be the GOP nominee let alone win the election, I think I understand LF’s point of view in that, like me, it is simply borne out of a sense of sheer frustration that Trump appears to be treated differently to almost anyone else and that he can seemingly pretty much ignore anything he is told (or told not) to do, without much in the way of retribution.
I know that the wheels of justice turn slowly and that the prosecutors, across all the cases, need to make completely sure that all the i’s are dotted and all the t’s are crossed but by crikey, sometimes you just wish that they would make a bit of a statement action!
I can’t stand the way that he and his team ‘play the system’ but equally, I’d probably try to kick as much down the road as I possibly could in order to delay any negative judgements as well - his liberty, not to mention his (rapidly diminishing) reputation is at stake and he is getting desperate.
I know that cgt may well shout at me for the above
and tell me to read the judgements and court filings etc. but the simple fact of the matter is that I don’t think I’d understand them even if I did, hence why I rely on this thread to get a sense of what is actually going on.
TLDR; thanks for everything Byker & cgt but I still have a feeling of unease about the next 12 months.
Edit - I have a history of backing the wrong horse (see Simple Minds vs U2, Blur vs Oasis and West Ham vs most teams, so he will probably be in prison by Christmas
That’s exactly the point I’m making. Things like Harrison Floyd facing a request from the prosecution to have his bail revoked for witness intimidation, whilst Trump continues to do so with minimal / zero sanction is a recent example. Whilst I hugely appreciate both Byker’s reporting efforts and cgt’s unwavering belief that Trump won’t even be the GOP nominee let alone win the election, I think I understand LF’s point of view in that, like me, it is simply borne out of a sense of sheer frustration that Trump appears to be treated differently to almost anyone else and that he can seemingly pretty much ignore anything he is told (or told not) to do, without much in the way of retribution.
I know that the wheels of justice turn slowly and that the prosecutors, across all the cases, need to make completely sure that all the i’s are dotted and all the t’s are crossed but by crikey, sometimes you just wish that they would make a bit of a statement action!
I can’t stand the way that he and his team ‘play the system’ but equally, I’d probably try to kick as much down the road as I possibly could in order to delay any negative judgements as well - his liberty, not to mention his (rapidly diminishing) reputation is at stake and he is getting desperate.
I know that cgt may well shout at me for the above
and tell me to read the judgements and court filings etc. but the simple fact of the matter is that I don’t think I’d understand them even if I did, hence why I rely on this thread to get a sense of what is actually going on. TLDR; thanks for everything Byker & cgt but I still have a feeling of unease about the next 12 months.
Edit - I have a history of backing the wrong horse (see Simple Minds vs U2, Blur vs Oasis and West Ham vs most teams, so he will probably be in prison by Christmas
Edited by Fifty on Thursday 16th November 10:04
cgt2 said:
I really don't get where this perceived victimhood comes from.. I do not shout at anyone. Reminds me of a certain orange someone...
Is not an attempt at victimhood, perceived or actual. It’s a slightly tongue in cheek description of the mob-handed response to any time that I raise what I see as valid questions around some of the absolute statements that get made on here. I want Trump in jail as much as anyone on here. However, I also have huge concerns over whether this will ever happen. It's all well and good, for example, when you make bold statements like “he won’t be the nominee”. It’s nice to think it won’t happen, but it’s quite possibly fanciful thinking as much as those who are just as convinced that he will be re-elected. Chances are that he won’t be re-elected, but it remains a possibility, albeit a distant one. The indictments and pending court cases are all well and good, but if they aren’t happening pre-election then they probably won’t have a bearing with the many idiots who vote for him.
Crook said:
Ah okay, so he's declared them guilty / liable but the detail of what exactly it is, is what is being established. Thanks.
I'll have a look.
Thanks again.
Guilty of the first charge 6 other charges to answer, which his lawyers aren't really defending, just airing trumps grievances...I'll have a look.
Thanks again.
The ruling on the first charge is here in this article
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-letitia-ja...
and since we're rolling back 3 weeks, this explains whats happening now
https://apnews.com/article/trump-fraud-lawsuit-exp...
The New York AG's office has filed against trump's mistrial motion saying it lacks lacks any merit, but they urge full briefing and a separate hearing on the motion so that any appeal occurs after a thorough, deliberate process and decision on the merits.
Judge Engoron could simply reject the motion outright before any further briefing or argument, but AG wants to completely dismantle trumps bogus claims so he can't raise this again. Probably also sanctions against his lawyers for bogus ciaims?
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisp...
Judge Engoron could simply reject the motion outright before any further briefing or argument, but AG wants to completely dismantle trumps bogus claims so he can't raise this again. Probably also sanctions against his lawyers for bogus ciaims?
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisp...
Oh Look, Santos lied again
And he's been referred to the Justice Department for criminal investigation
Full report is released
The ISC determined there was substantial evidence of violations of federal law, House Rules, and other applicable standards related to many of the allegations charged in the indictment, and substantial evidence of additional uncharged unlawful and unethical conduct,"
Santos "was an active and knowing participant in a scheme to falsely report personal loans during his 2022 campaign" and that systematic errors in his campaign finance reporting were "part of an overall scheme to avoid transparency about his campaign’s finances."
https://ethics.house.gov/press-releases/statement-...
And he's been referred to the Justice Department for criminal investigation
Full report is released
The ISC determined there was substantial evidence of violations of federal law, House Rules, and other applicable standards related to many of the allegations charged in the indictment, and substantial evidence of additional uncharged unlawful and unethical conduct,"
Santos "was an active and knowing participant in a scheme to falsely report personal loans during his 2022 campaign" and that systematic errors in his campaign finance reporting were "part of an overall scheme to avoid transparency about his campaign’s finances."
https://ethics.house.gov/press-releases/statement-...
Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 16th November 16:05
DickyC said:
Byker28i said:
shakotan said:
Byker28i said:
After Jack Smith files about trumps gagging order, again quoting Thomas a Beckett and the request to rid of the troublesome priest, trump then posts on TS
"someone 'high up' should fire Letitia Peekaboo James, Fani Willis, Alvin Bragg and, of course, Deranged Jack Smith, They are KILLING our Country!"
Am I reading too much into that TS post, the emphasis on 'killing'?"someone 'high up' should fire Letitia Peekaboo James, Fani Willis, Alvin Bragg and, of course, Deranged Jack Smith, They are KILLING our Country!"
Byker28i said:
Crook said:
Ah okay, so he's declared them guilty / liable but the detail of what exactly it is, is what is being established. Thanks.
I'll have a look.
Thanks again.
Guilty of the first charge 6 other charges to answer, which his lawyers aren't really defending, just airing trumps grievances...I'll have a look.
Thanks again.
The ruling on the first charge is here in this article
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-letitia-ja...
and since we're rolling back 3 weeks, this explains whats happening now
https://apnews.com/article/trump-fraud-lawsuit-exp...
Crook said:
Oddschecker
Unless I've read that incorrectly which is entirely possible, although I did sort by 'Favourite', you're not the only one.
The Orange Sh*tbag winning would be the worst possible outcome for America and in turn the rest of the world, but it would be nearly worth it to see the reaction on this thread alone. Nearly.Unless I've read that incorrectly which is entirely possible, although I did sort by 'Favourite', you're not the only one.
If the next election is between him and Genocide Joe it’s a contest as to who is the least unelectable.
I’m told the Donald is particularly offended by the refusal to capitalise his name on a car forum.
He will not spend one day in prison, mores the pity. I’d love nothing more than to see him and his verminous breed all locked up in a supermax prison for the rest of their lives, but it simply won’t happen.
P. ONeill said:
Crook said:
Oddschecker
Unless I've read that incorrectly which is entirely possible, although I did sort by 'Favourite', you're not the only one.
The Orange Sh*tbag winning would be the worst possible outcome for America and in turn the rest of the world, but it would be nearly worth it to see the reaction on this thread alone. Nearly.Unless I've read that incorrectly which is entirely possible, although I did sort by 'Favourite', you're not the only one.
If the next election is between him and Genocide Joe it’s a contest as to who is the least unelectable.
I’m told the Donald is particularly offended by the refusal to capitalise his name on a car forum.
He will not spend one day in prison, mores the pity. I’d love nothing more than to see him and his verminous breed all locked up in a supermax prison for the rest of their lives, but it simply won’t happen.
Would be nice to see some balance on here, not just the one way traffic, which paints a certain picture... which can't be the complete picture because, as more and more people are pointing out; there are no signs of this biblical wrath we were all promised. Some inverse QANON rubbish about "Wait, it's coming! It's all in the plan! You'll see soon! Nancy wore yellow shoes on a grassy knoll on a Labor Day!" isn't cutting it. Perhaps the circus clowns aren't all on one side of the court... or Senate.
Like any democracy, when people go to the polls, they'll vote selfishly. They have experienced two clowns the last 8yrs, who they get to pick between... and they'll decide which clown their life was better under. It's currently looking like the majority (and it may be close again) don't think it is Biden. The vast majority of polls and bookies agree.
People can roll out all the stats they like (Biden won by 7 MILLION votes!!!!!!) but Trump was very, very close to winning last time out, which is why the election fraud was so important to the Republicans and why gerrymandering is such a big issue to the Democrats. Trump didn't need millions more (NPR) "just 44,000 votes in Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin separated Biden and Trump from a tie in the Electoral College."
Do 22,001 people in those areas now think their lives were better under Trump, in those key states?
I lived on and off in the US for the last 20yrs and it matters not to me whether Donald Trump is in jail, he's president, Biden is president, whatever. The whole thing (US politics) is an embarrassing mess and it takes two to tango (pun intended). The whole lot of them are clowns and they need a credible candidate to step in and deescalate the whole thing. But, sadly, there appears to be no one in the position to step up.
What a mess. Not the whole/sole fault of one or the other (president/party/'side').
A sobering read on the background to why Trump will never see prison under this or any other DOJ.
https://sarahkendzior.substack.com/p/servants-of-t...
I doubt cgt will set much store by it, but it fits the observations so far.
https://sarahkendzior.substack.com/p/servants-of-t...
I doubt cgt will set much store by it, but it fits the observations so far.
I get the concern about how Trump is treated differently to other people. But this is uncharted territory in the history of the USA. Never before has a Presidential candidate been facing so many charges on so many fronts.
The prosecutors are being incredibly careful to build their cases and consequently it looks like he's getting preferential treatment. I believe though that the outcome will be he's f
kED
The prosecutors are being incredibly careful to build their cases and consequently it looks like he's getting preferential treatment. I believe though that the outcome will be he's f
kEDdobbo_ said:
I get the concern about how Trump is treated differently to other people. But this is uncharted territory in the history of the USA. Never before has a Presidential candidate been facing so many charges on so many fronts.
The prosecutors are being incredibly careful to build their cases and consequently it looks like he's getting preferential treatment. I believe though that the outcome will be he's fkED
A thousand times this.The prosecutors are being incredibly careful to build their cases and consequently it looks like he's getting preferential treatment. I believe though that the outcome will be he's f
kEDThe prosecution cannot afford to make a single error in the case, hence he is getting special treatment. I stongly suspect the consequences will snowball once they start. Trump's lawyers know how screwed he is which is why they're just doing what he tells them to no matter how unlikely it is to work.
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