Elon Musk $41B offer for Twitter

[Electro1980]

Bandit said:

ZedLeg said:

Protesting isn't forcing your opinion, it's also a protected right.

Blocking an entrance or screaming over someone so they can’t be heard is though.

Do you have a specific example that concerns you so we can see what you are referring too? You are jumping around to support your view.

[JeffreyD]

Dagnir said:

There's a lot of dishonest discussion in here and plenty of posters being deliberately obtuse. It's obvious to see. They know it and we know that they know it. A strange bickering dance.


To be expected as a coping mechanism I suppose. So used to having it all your own way and being backed up by big tech, it must be alien having an equal playing field again.


It's just a damn shame that all the damage done to society over the last 10 years can't be undone.

Since when was the media a level playing field?

Niaive or what

[Gweeds]

ZedLeg said:

you mean the last ten years of conservative rule here and concerted far right pressure on politics world wide largely based on social media presence? Who's really been doing the damage?

Trump, Bannon, Infowars….bloody lefties.

[anonymous-user]

Gweeds said:

Bandit said:

No you are trolling because you lost the argument.

So you don’t know.

Thanks for confirming.

You are looking and sounding rather silly now.
Carry on embaressing yourself.

[Electro1980]

Harrison Bergeron said:

Electro1980 said:

https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22...

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/03/22/tech/twitter-al...

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2021/07/07/we-...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/abrambrown/2022/03/15...

https://misinforeview.hks.harvard.edu/article/the-...

This is not exactly controversial stuff that Twitter (and Facebook) algorithms have resulted in far right conspiracies and hate speech being promoted.

Why would people donate so much money to the dems only to bias their website to the opposition?

Because it made them money. The intention is/was to promote what generates hits and engagement, not any specific content. Unfortunately that had an unintended side effect of promoting far right material and conspiracies. There was no question that these companies intended that, but they seem to have been quite happy to let it carry on as long as the money came in.

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

Bandit said:

Blocking an entrance or screaming over someone so they can’t be heard is though.

There are laws to deal with that.

Apologies if I've missed it but I don't think you answered my earlier question.

If a university invited a holocaust denier to speak and Jewish students protested peacefully and lawfully and the university listened to them and changed their mind and uninvited the holocaust denier what's wrong with that?

Nothing wrong with that at all. Now answer my question. Comedian who made a Trans joke once. Should they be excluded/cancelled?

[Gweeds]

Bandit said:

You are looking and sounding rather silly now.
Carry on embaressing yourself.

It’s ‘embarrassing’.

Not having a good day are you. Asked to define a word you’re keen to use you resort to a poor ad-hominem.

[ZedLeg]

That's two people in this thread now using trans people as their "political correctness gone mad" scapegoat. That's interesting.

[bitchstewie]

Bandit said:

Nothing wrong with that at all. Now answer my question. Comedian who made a Trans joke once. Should they be excluded/cancelled?

I answered it two pages back.

They can protest within the law as their right to free speech and protest lets them do that.

If the university decides to listen to them and pulls the invitation that's their right too.

Same principle.

[Gweeds]

Dagnir said:

There's a lot of dishonest discussion in here and plenty of posters being deliberately obtuse. It's obvious to see. They know it and we know that they know it. A strange bickering dance.


To be expected as a coping mechanism I suppose. So used to having it all your own way and being backed up by big tech, it must be alien having an equal playing field again.


It's just a damn shame that all the damage done to society over the last 10 years can't be undone.

Shall we do the Koch family now as well?

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

Bandit said:

Nothing wrong with that at all. Now answer my question. Comedian who made a Trans joke once. Should they be excluded/cancelled?

I answered it two pages back.

They can protest within the law as their right to free speech and protest lets them do that.

If the university decides to listen to them and pulls the invitation that's their right too.

Same principle.

These "protestors" know that causing such a huge fuss makes it untentable for the Universities to proceed with an event.
Thats what I dont appreciate.

[bitchstewie]

Bandit said:

These "protestors" know that causing such a huge fuss makes it untentable for the Universities to proceed with an event.
Thats what I dont appreciate.

That's why it's called protest Bandit and it's why there are laws to make it legal whilst also providing boundaries.

[paulguitar]

Dagnir said:

There's a lot of dishonest discussion in here and plenty of posters being deliberately obtuse. It's obvious to see. They know it and we know that they know it. A strange bickering dance.


To be expected as a coping mechanism I suppose. So used to having it all your own way and being backed up by big tech, it must be alien having an equal playing field again.


It's just a damn shame that all the damage done to society over the last 10 years can't be undone.

I'm 90% sure this is a parody account.

[2xChevrons]

Dagnir said:

There's a lot of dishonest discussion in here and plenty of posters being deliberately obtuse. It's obvious to see. They know it and we know that they know it. A strange bickering dance.


To be expected as a coping mechanism I suppose. So used to having it all your own way and being backed up by big tech, it must be alien having an equal playing field again.


It's just a damn shame that all the damage done to society over the last 10 years can't be undone.

Ah yes, because if I look back over the past 10 years the one constant feature is that those of left-wing/progressive views have had everything go their own way. As a leftie myself, I look back on the whole period, from the London Olympics to the French election result, as an unbroken chain of victories and successes, moving ever closer to my vision of utopia with right-wing, reactionary and conservative voices being increasingly sidelined and pushed to the margins of our politics and discourse throughout the developed world...

What utter rot!

Bandit said:

These "protestors" know that causing such a huge fuss makes it untentable for the Universities to proceed with an event.
Thats what I dont appreciate.

Sounds like they're winning in the hallowed Marketplace of Ideas, to me.

There's also the matter of what 'a trans joke' is. It's perfectly possible to do jokes featuring/about trans people which are both funny and not belittling or attacking their identities. There are also jokes where the whole punchline boils down to 'the person is trans'. The latter should not really be welcome in any institution that purports to be inclusive and supportive of trans people. The former should be welcome, or even encouraged.

Edit:

More broadly, I don't really see in my own experience any of these 'liberal tears' about Musk's purchase of twitter. If people are genuinely going to abandon the platform purely because he owns it, or are concerned that one very rich, contrarian weirdo now owns a major social media platform, then where have they been for the past 15 years? Social media (and the tech industry in general) has grouped huge amounts of power in the hands of individuals of various flavours of weird with their own personal agendas pretty much since SM began. It seems very odd to act as if the whole moral basis of using Twitter has now changed just because the new owner is more public in his oddness and more open about his desire to implement change as he sees fit.

Edited by 2xChevrons on Tuesday 26th April 12:30

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

Bandit said:

These "protestors" know that causing such a huge fuss makes it untentable for the Universities to proceed with an event.
Thats what I dont appreciate.

That's why it's called protest Bandit and it's why there are laws to make it legal whilst also providing boundaries.

Well its also preventing free speech, which i dont believe is healthy in any society.

[anonymous-user]

Gweeds said:

Bandit said:

You are looking and sounding rather silly now.
Carry on embaressing yourself.

It’s ‘embarrassing’.

Not having a good day are you. Asked to define a word you’re keen to use you resort to a poor ad-hominem.

Im having a great day thanks Gweeds. I like to help educate people like you.

[Electro1980]

Bandit said:

bhstewie said:

Bandit said:

These "protestors" know that causing such a huge fuss makes it untentable for the Universities to proceed with an event.
Thats what I dont appreciate.

That's why it's called protest Bandit and it's why there are laws to make it legal whilst also providing boundaries.

Well its also preventing free speech, which i dont believe is healthy in any society.

No it’s not. It is free speech. You just don’t like it and want it shut down, or censored. The exact thing you are complaining about.

[Gweeds]

Bandit said:

Im having a great day thanks Gweeds. I like to help educate people like you.

Do let me know when you’re starting. At the moment you’re tying yourself up in knots for all to see.

Go you.

[Gweeds]

Electro1980 said:

No it’s not. It is free speech. You just don’t like it and want it shut down, or censored. The exact thing you are complaining about.

It’s tragic that he can’t see it.

[bitchstewie]

Bandit said:

bhstewie said:

Bandit said:

These "protestors" know that causing such a huge fuss makes it untentable for the Universities to proceed with an event.
Thats what I dont appreciate.

That's why it's called protest Bandit and it's why there are laws to make it legal whilst also providing boundaries.

Well its also preventing free speech, which i dont believe is healthy in any society.

People have a legal right to protest within the law.

Suggesting that be taken away (which is what you seem to be indirectly suggesting) isn't healthy in any society either.

You only need to look at the sort of societies where even peaceful protest is banned.