What is the Conservative legacy?
Discussion
oyster said:
This is very disingenuous and you know it.
There was an enormous structural deficit in 2010 which was never going to get turned around in the time period you mention.
And it always highlights one of the biggest ironies of the critics of austerity. One the one hand they criticise austerity for its effects on public services and then state the debt still went up. So it couldn't have been austerity could it?
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Disingenuousness appears not to be confined to me then. The structural deficit was there & exacerbated by external factors, the Cameron's government's response was austerity, the policy failed. That's facts. That it failed to stimulate the economy is also fact. That that failure handed Farge & pals a gift is also fact. To govern is to choose, if you make a choice and things worsen, you made the wrong choice.There was an enormous structural deficit in 2010 which was never going to get turned around in the time period you mention.
And it always highlights one of the biggest ironies of the critics of austerity. One the one hand they criticise austerity for its effects on public services and then state the debt still went up. So it couldn't have been austerity could it?
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President Merkin said:
Disingenuousness appears not to be confined to me then. The structural deficit was there & exacerbated by external factors, the Cameron's government's response was austerity, the policy failed. That's facts. That it failed to stimulate the economy is also fact. That that failure handed Farge & pals a gift is also fact. To govern is to choose, if you make a choice and things worsen, you made the wrong choice.
At the end of 2010 the UK deficit was around 10% of our GDP, a level not seen since, excepting the Covid spending in 2020. In fact, by 2018 the deficit had been reduced to around 2% - although we were still spending beyond our means, as Oyster points out. Are you suggesting the Cameron government should have held open the public spending taps at 2010 levels? If so, you're very, very wrong in my opinion.As for Brexit, the decision to hold a referendum was heavily approved by Parliament, was a democratic outcome and one heavily reinforced by the m2019 election result. "Handed Farage & pals a gift" is just a silly thing to say. The Cameron government didn't choose Brexit in 2016, the British people did - a huge error in my opinion, but that's democracy for you.
Hants PHer said:
At the end of 2010 the UK deficit was around 10% of our GDP, a level not seen since, excepting the Covid spending in 2020. In fact, by 2018 the deficit had been reduced to around 2% - although we were still spending beyond our means, as Oyster points out. Are you suggesting the Cameron government should have held open the public spending taps at 2010 levels? If so, you're very, very wrong in my opinion.
As for Brexit, the decision to hold a referendum was heavily approved by Parliament, was a democratic outcome and one heavily reinforced by the m2019 election result. "Handed Farage & pals a gift" is just a silly thing to say. The Cameron government didn't choose Brexit in 2016, the British people did - a huge error in my opinion, but that's democracy for you.
The mistake by Cameron was agreeing to a Referendum in the first place. I' don't dislike him but he was so out of touch with the general electorate. I still don't think he gets it. As for Brexit, the decision to hold a referendum was heavily approved by Parliament, was a democratic outcome and one heavily reinforced by the m2019 election result. "Handed Farage & pals a gift" is just a silly thing to say. The Cameron government didn't choose Brexit in 2016, the British people did - a huge error in my opinion, but that's democracy for you.
There are proper grounded MPS unfortunately they rarely achieve high office.
Hants PHer said:
At the end of 2010 the UK deficit was around 10% of our GDP, a level not seen since, excepting the Covid spending in 2020. In fact, by 2018 the deficit had been reduced to around 2% - although we were still spending beyond our means, as Oyster points out. Are you suggesting the Cameron government should have held open the public spending taps at 2010 levels? If so, you're very, very wrong in my opinion.
As for Brexit, the decision to hold a referendum was heavily approved by Parliament, was a democratic outcome and one heavily reinforced by the m2019 election result. "Handed Farage & pals a gift" is just a silly thing to say. The Cameron government didn't choose Brexit in 2016, the British people did - a huge error in my opinion, but that's democracy for you.
The effects of austerity are only at the beginning. How far would the “hide the pennies under the mattress crowd” be willing to go in terms of lack of investment in infrastructure and the future?As for Brexit, the decision to hold a referendum was heavily approved by Parliament, was a democratic outcome and one heavily reinforced by the m2019 election result. "Handed Farage & pals a gift" is just a silly thing to say. The Cameron government didn't choose Brexit in 2016, the British people did - a huge error in my opinion, but that's democracy for you.
The Conservative legacy will be how they managed to bring the Brexit referendum to the electorate and how they are helping to strengthen Reform U.K.
As the younger generation will find that a Labour Government is failing their expectations, after all Labour have announced no improvements for at least this forthcoming Parliament and likely little improvement in a second Parliament. Leaves the door open for the Right of politics to gain traction, as they are in the wider Europe,
As the younger generation will find that a Labour Government is failing their expectations, after all Labour have announced no improvements for at least this forthcoming Parliament and likely little improvement in a second Parliament. Leaves the door open for the Right of politics to gain traction, as they are in the wider Europe,
crankedup5 said:
The Conservative legacy will be how they managed to bring the Brexit referendum to the electorate and how they are helping to strengthen Reform U.K.
As the younger generation will find that a Labour Government is failing their expectations, after all Labour have announced no improvements for at least this forthcoming Parliament and likely little improvement in a second Parliament. Leaves the door open for the Right of politics to gain traction, as they are in the wider Europe,
Oh yeah, I nearly forgot. The infantilisation of public discourse. Multiple times per day.As the younger generation will find that a Labour Government is failing their expectations, after all Labour have announced no improvements for at least this forthcoming Parliament and likely little improvement in a second Parliament. Leaves the door open for the Right of politics to gain traction, as they are in the wider Europe,
crankedup5 said:
The Conservative legacy will be how they managed to bring the Brexit referendum to the electorate and how they are helping to strengthen Reform U.K.
As the younger generation will find that a Labour Government is failing their expectations, after all Labour have announced no improvements for at least this forthcoming Parliament and likely little improvement in a second Parliament. Leaves the door open for the Right of politics to gain traction, as they are in the wider Europe,
Perhaps we could have stayed aligned to the beacon of right wing hope that is Europe As the younger generation will find that a Labour Government is failing their expectations, after all Labour have announced no improvements for at least this forthcoming Parliament and likely little improvement in a second Parliament. Leaves the door open for the Right of politics to gain traction, as they are in the wider Europe,
crankedup5 said:
The Conservative legacy will be how they managed to bring the Brexit referendum to the electorate and how they are helping to strengthen Reform U.K.
Reform will fail for the same reasons that the current Conservative party is. Lack of talented politicians, f
king bonkers politicians, and an electorate demographic that's dying. crankedup5 said:
As the younger generation will find that a Labour Government is failing their expectations, after all Labour have announced no improvements for at least this forthcoming Parliament and likely little improvement in a second Parliament.
As someone who was of the "younger generation", when Labour last came to power, the only thing I feel Labour failed on in their last Government was the wars in Afganistan and Iraq. But still. Even if you're right, despite your lie about "Labour have announced no improvements", no improvement and little improvement is 10 times better than the deep decline the Tories have presided over.
crankedup5 said:
Leaves the door open for the Right of politics to gain traction, as they are in the wider Europe,
I don't think so. People have had their fill of the Right. They're poorer, they're waiting longer for hospital treatment, their kids schools are falling down, and theives are making off with everything in the local shop. UK could be first to get inflation below 2%
That will be embarrassing for all those doomsday economists who continually run the U.K. down
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-could-beat-us-...
That will be embarrassing for all those doomsday economists who continually run the U.K. down
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-could-beat-us-...
President Merkin said:
crankedup5 said:
The Conservative legacy will be how they managed to bring the Brexit referendum to the electorate and how they are helping to strengthen Reform U.K.
As the younger generation will find that a Labour Government is failing their expectations, after all Labour have announced no improvements for at least this forthcoming Parliament and likely little improvement in a second Parliament. Leaves the door open for the Right of politics to gain traction, as they are in the wider Europe,
Oh yeah, I nearly forgot. The infantilisation of public discourse. Multiple times per day.As the younger generation will find that a Labour Government is failing their expectations, after all Labour have announced no improvements for at least this forthcoming Parliament and likely little improvement in a second Parliament. Leaves the door open for the Right of politics to gain traction, as they are in the wider Europe,
NerveAgent said:
crankedup5 said:
The Conservative legacy will be how they managed to bring the Brexit referendum to the electorate and how they are helping to strengthen Reform U.K.
As the younger generation will find that a Labour Government is failing their expectations, after all Labour have announced no improvements for at least this forthcoming Parliament and likely little improvement in a second Parliament. Leaves the door open for the Right of politics to gain traction, as they are in the wider Europe,
Perhaps we could have stayed aligned to the beacon of right wing hope that is Europe As the younger generation will find that a Labour Government is failing their expectations, after all Labour have announced no improvements for at least this forthcoming Parliament and likely little improvement in a second Parliament. Leaves the door open for the Right of politics to gain traction, as they are in the wider Europe,
Maybe Tice will go grovelling over into the EU looking for tips from
his counter parts how best to control migration. Didn’t work for Mr flip flop though so guess a non starter.
86 said:
UK could be first to get inflation below 2%
That will be embarrassing for all those doomsday economists who continually run the U.K. down
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-could-beat-us-...
Who cares. That will be embarrassing for all those doomsday economists who continually run the U.K. down
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-could-beat-us-...
Inflation was low throughout the most of those 13 years and has got us nowhere. NHS Waiting lists that were 4 weeks under labour are now at the 92% percentile 46 weeks or 14 weeks median. Whoopi if you are a life limiting illness. Plenty of other rather problematic statists as well like near bankrupt councils including Tory led ones who incurred the debt. Potholes. Poor care services for the informed and elderly. Crumbling schools and hospitals. The list is endless.
Oh and by every measure most people are worse off.
Once a complete idiot thinks a single statistic is a measure of how the economy is doing.
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