Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court
Discussion
eharding said:
Assange hasn't got anything to worry about - if the FCO revoke the diplomatic status of the Ecuadorian Embassy and send the Met in to arrest him, on the basis of recent experience, it will take them four attempts at searching the building before they can hope of finding him, by which time he'll have been long gone, away on his toes in disguise.
The only possible downside for young Julian is if he makes the classic blunder of disguising himself as a South American electrician, and in a case of mistaken identity ends up being slotted by some Red-Bull-fuelled Robo-Rozzer as he's rushing for a tube train.
Ouch..The only possible downside for young Julian is if he makes the classic blunder of disguising himself as a South American electrician, and in a case of mistaken identity ends up being slotted by some Red-Bull-fuelled Robo-Rozzer as he's rushing for a tube train.
Edited by eharding on Thursday 16th August 00:26
Oh dear.
Nothing like the threat of dirty laundry being aired to make a country act like a thug
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/uk-po...
Nothing like the threat of dirty laundry being aired to make a country act like a thug
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/uk-po...
AJS- said:
He picked a bit of a duffer with Ecuador didn't he? Brazil or Russia would have been a better bet. I wonder if we would be threatening to revoke their diplomatic status over a trumped up Swedish rape charge? Sad.
I'm guessing Mr Assange chose who he did based on the likelihood of his ducking and diving succeeding.Equally I guess we won't really know how trumped up the charges against him are until he goes back and answers the Swedish authorities' questions.
As for his likelihood of being onwardly deported to the US, who knows. There were links earlier in the thread to Swedish history on this and to me they made it look less likely for him to be handed over than, say, if we'd been asked.
It would probably be a good time for him to learn that threatening governments probably isn't a very good idea. And I'm afraid I'm far from a believer that his motivations have ever been about the common good over and above what's best for himself. Much as governments need to be more open, Assange has always come across as an irresponsible snivvly little kid to me. He's made his bed, he should MTFU.
MadMullah said:
Brazil perhaps
but russia they'd say no. i'm sure he's got enough stuff about them on his site too.
it will be interesting to see the diplomatic fallout should they march into embassy.
Yet Assange is the darling of Russia Today, Putin's totally impartial and totally and utterly independent TV station, broadcasting totally impartial, independent TV anyway it may be useful for him.?but russia they'd say no. i'm sure he's got enough stuff about them on his site too.
it will be interesting to see the diplomatic fallout should they march into embassy.
Ex Govt lawyer on Radio4 just now saying the UKGov is sabre rattling and wouldn't use the legislation to strip the embassy of its diplomatic status as it was not intended to be used in this type of situation.
Regardless of the morals, the Ecuadorians should they give Assange asylum would be acting totally within the bounds of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties. As such if the UKGov decided to use the legislation they'd be on dodgy ground in relation to their international obligations under the Vienna treaty.
Regardless of the morals, the Ecuadorians should they give Assange asylum would be acting totally within the bounds of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties. As such if the UKGov decided to use the legislation they'd be on dodgy ground in relation to their international obligations under the Vienna treaty.
Marf said:
Regardless of the morals, the Ecuadorians should they give Assange asylum would be acting totally within the bounds of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties. As such if the UKGov decided to use the legislation they'd be on dodgy ground in relation to their international obligations under the Vienna treaty.
Got to wonder just what he has over some rich people doesn't it? For the efforts they are going through to get him. Let's hope he gets asylum in South America where he can start more leaking of damaging information.Murph7355 said:
I'm guessing Mr Assange chose who he did based on the likelihood of his ducking and diving succeeding.
Equally I guess we won't really know how trumped up the charges against him are until he goes back and answers the Swedish authorities' questions.
As for his likelihood of being onwardly deported to the US, who knows. There were links earlier in the thread to Swedish history on this and to me they made it look less likely for him to be handed over than, say, if we'd been asked.
It would probably be a good time for him to learn that threatening governments probably isn't a very good idea. And I'm afraid I'm far from a believer that his motivations have ever been about the common good over and above what's best for himself. Much as governments need to be more open, Assange has always come across as an irresponsible snivvly little kid to me. He's made his bed, he should MTFU.
He's a complete narcissist I've no doubt of that, but no man in his right mind is going to give himself knowing that he'll likely be executed a few months down the line.. Bradley Manning is still sitting naked in solitary confinement in some hell hole somewhere.Equally I guess we won't really know how trumped up the charges against him are until he goes back and answers the Swedish authorities' questions.
As for his likelihood of being onwardly deported to the US, who knows. There were links earlier in the thread to Swedish history on this and to me they made it look less likely for him to be handed over than, say, if we'd been asked.
It would probably be a good time for him to learn that threatening governments probably isn't a very good idea. And I'm afraid I'm far from a believer that his motivations have ever been about the common good over and above what's best for himself. Much as governments need to be more open, Assange has always come across as an irresponsible snivvly little kid to me. He's made his bed, he should MTFU.
Jasandjules said:
Marf said:
Regardless of the morals, the Ecuadorians should they give Assange asylum would be acting totally within the bounds of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties. As such if the UKGov decided to use the legislation they'd be on dodgy ground in relation to their international obligations under the Vienna treaty.
Got to wonder just what he has over some rich people doesn't it? For the efforts they are going through to get him. Let's hope he gets asylum in South America where he can start more leaking of damaging information.As I've said before, this is all just a preamble to getting him into the US, where they'll try their damndest to link him to Manning, slap enemy combatant status on him and well. We know what'll happen then.
Edited by Marf on Thursday 16th August 09:14
Marf said:
Jasandjules said:
Marf said:
Regardless of the morals, the Ecuadorians should they give Assange asylum would be acting totally within the bounds of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties. As such if the UKGov decided to use the legislation they'd be on dodgy ground in relation to their international obligations under the Vienna treaty.
Got to wonder just what he has over some rich people doesn't it? For the efforts they are going through to get him. Let's hope he gets asylum in South America where he can start more leaking of damaging information.
Art0ir said:
He's a complete narcissist I've no doubt of that, but no man in his right mind is going to give himself knowing that he'll likely be executed a few months down the line.. Bradley Manning is still sitting naked in solitary confinement in some hell hole somewhere.
Some leap from being wanted for questioning on allegations of rape to being executed - does Sweden have the death penalty?As for Bradley Manning, presumably you've visited him recently? Personally I have little sympathy for a serving soldier doing what he did...
This is apparently the letter to the Ecuadorians (but not confirmed): http://www.eltelegrafo.com.ec/images/eltelegrafo/b...
samwilliams said:
This is apparently the letter to the Ecuadorians (but not confirmed): http://www.eltelegrafo.com.ec/images/eltelegrafo/b...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/9478896/Wikileaks-Government-threatens-to-take-Julian-Assange-out-of-Ecuadors-embassy.htmlYou know, I generally don't believe all the New World Order and Illuminati rubbish, but going into another counrty's embassy to arrest someone?"
Just who the HELL does this government think we are?
Imagine if the Argentinians marched into our Embassy to arrest someone!!
Murph7355 said:
Some leap from being wanted for questioning on allegations of rape to being executed - does Sweden have the death penalty?
As for Bradley Manning, presumably you've visited him recently? Personally I have little sympathy for a serving soldier doing what he did...
He'll be extradited to the US and you know it as well as I do, when was the last time a country threatened to raid an embassy over dubious rape allegations?As for Bradley Manning, presumably you've visited him recently? Personally I have little sympathy for a serving soldier doing what he did...
I'll be interested to see where this goes - I'm no real fan of Assange as an individual, but regardless of his motives I do think that what he does is important. More to the point, I'm absolutely amazed to see the lengths it seems the government is prepared to go to to get him packed off to Sweden - as has been said, you can't help but think they'd be somewhat less tenacious in their pursuit if it was someone less likely to have "dirt" on them.......
It will be shameful if they do end up going in.
It will be shameful if they do end up going in.
BigMacDaddy said:
I'm absolutely amazed to see the lengths it seems the government is prepared to go to to get him packed off to Sweden - as has been said, you can't help but think they'd be somewhat less tenacious in their pursuit if it was someone less likely to have "dirt" on them.......
Assange has an "insurance policy" which it appears has kept him alive thus far. A "poison pill" file which will be released if he (a) dies (b) diappears (c) gets banged up or (d) Wikileaks is destroyed.Interesting reading here from CNN.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/12/08/wikileaks.poi...
CNN said:
It could take an incalculable number of years to figure out the combination of letters, numbers and symbols comprising the 256-bit key code.
It's anyone's guess what's in the file labeled "insurance.aes256."
You've got to hand it to him, he's got a sense of humour with that filename.It's anyone's guess what's in the file labeled "insurance.aes256."
Edited by Soovy on Thursday 16th August 09:47
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