Another dog attack
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cookie1600 said:
Genuine question; can a dog be Tasered to successfully subdue it?
Yes they can. However you need to keep the taser 'on' whilst you move the dog into something to secure it. If you don't it'll just be even more pissed off and run away. Tasered dogs have been secured in wheelie bins before.
Greendubber said:
That's an interesting take on my post.
Drugs and firearms also kill far more people than XL bullies but those specialist dogs and handlers who would ordinarily be tackling those things are being used to collect dogs.
What do you think about that?
I think we need more dog handlers. XL Bullys , drugs, and firearms all need dealt with. We can't allocate police time on the basis of deaths anyway but if the police won't deal with XL Bully owners breaking the law who should? Drugs and firearms also kill far more people than XL bullies but those specialist dogs and handlers who would ordinarily be tackling those things are being used to collect dogs.
What do you think about that?
UK population has grown over the last decade. Without checking numbers I would guess police numbers have shrunk. The police are sometimes their own worst enemy. Other agencies when asked to take on additional tasks ask for more resources the police do it from existing resources which may at one time have worked. There is no fat now. Any new task they take on means doing less in other areas.
The buck stops with the politicians though. They cut police budgets. Cutting the number of police dog handlers was part of the response. Which like many cuts can come back to bite you so to speak.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27757477
irc said:
Greendubber said:
That's an interesting take on my post.
Drugs and firearms also kill far more people than XL bullies but those specialist dogs and handlers who would ordinarily be tackling those things are being used to collect dogs.
What do you think about that?
I think we need more dog handlers. XL Bullys , drugs, and firearms all need dealt with. We can't allocate police time on the basis of deaths anyway but if the police won't deal with XL Bully owners breaking the law who should? Drugs and firearms also kill far more people than XL bullies but those specialist dogs and handlers who would ordinarily be tackling those things are being used to collect dogs.
What do you think about that?
UK population has grown over the last decade. Without checking numbers I would guess police numbers have shrunk. The police are sometimes their own worst enemy. Other agencies when asked to take on additional tasks ask for more resources the police do it from existing resources which may at one time have worked. There is no fat now. Any new task they take on means doing less in other areas.
The buck stops with the politicians though. They cut police budgets. Cutting the number of police dog handlers was part of the response. Which like many cuts can come back to bite you so to speak.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27757477
They just say 'f
king st police etc blah blah' rinse and repeat. Greendubber said:
Agreed but unfortunately people don't say 'grrrr bloody politicians cutting budgets/numbers'
They just say 'fking st police etc blah blah' rinse and repeat.
Under austerity my force went from 120 handlers down to 20 They just say 'f
king st police etc blah blah' rinse and repeat. Which basically meant a max of 3 poss 4 covering the entire force area instead of 2 or 3 per division.
Bigends said:
Stan the Bat said:
Why are police numbers cut all the time, they should be increased.
Apparently varies countrywide - my old lot are at the highest level theyve ever been, and well above pre austerity levels15 years ago if the number if logs went over 1000 in a 24hr period it was a massive deal, these days were knocking on the door of 6000 daily.
Greendubber said:
Unreal said:
Greendubber said:
Back on topic:
There isn't enough kennel space for all the XLs that are being seized by police. We ended up taking 5 off someone the other day that weren't registered but they have to be stored securely so they can be assessed (at cost to us) Then the owners have the opportunity to go to court to appeal it if they wish, they won't though, they'll just sign the dogs ober and they'll be put down, all at a cost to us.
We've had to employ another secure kennel business as every inch of existing space my force has for storing dogs was full. It's costing an absolute fortune. Our dog handlers don't even get to work their own dogs on some shifts as they're out collecting XLs all shift. Want a police dog to catch a burglar? Sorry, all the handlers are picking up dogs all day.
So no men in balaclavas, just way too many dogs, irresponsible owners and a lack of foresight when the legislation was pushed through. There will be thousands of dogs all in secure kennels at the moment being paid for by all of us at great expense.
Fortunately it would appear it's just a matter of time. If your experience continues most of these dogs will be dead before long unless there is an inexhaustible supply chain. It sounds like good use of Police time to me.There isn't enough kennel space for all the XLs that are being seized by police. We ended up taking 5 off someone the other day that weren't registered but they have to be stored securely so they can be assessed (at cost to us) Then the owners have the opportunity to go to court to appeal it if they wish, they won't though, they'll just sign the dogs ober and they'll be put down, all at a cost to us.
We've had to employ another secure kennel business as every inch of existing space my force has for storing dogs was full. It's costing an absolute fortune. Our dog handlers don't even get to work their own dogs on some shifts as they're out collecting XLs all shift. Want a police dog to catch a burglar? Sorry, all the handlers are picking up dogs all day.
So no men in balaclavas, just way too many dogs, irresponsible owners and a lack of foresight when the legislation was pushed through. There will be thousands of dogs all in secure kennels at the moment being paid for by all of us at great expense.
I'd rather our dog handlers were doing proactive police work rather than being used as chauffeurs for scumbags dogs.
Greendubber said:
Bigends said:
Stan the Bat said:
Why are police numbers cut all the time, they should be increased.
Apparently varies countrywide - my old lot are at the highest level theyve ever been, and well above pre austerity levels15 years ago if the number if logs went over 1000 in a 24hr period it was a massive deal, these days were knocking on the door of 6000 daily.
Cameron kicking the cops in the balls coincided with the big uplift in the 80’s from Edmund Davis hitting retirement age and the 30+ schemes being stopped forcing more out
They stopped recruiting completely for around 5 years, closed and sold off the training schools, got rid of or completely hollowed out specialist skilled departments such as Dog sections, Traffic and CID and even driving schools .. they even struggle to find cops who can drive the riot vans!
When eventually they did start recruiting again, and in vast numbers they didn’t have the facilities, trainers or experienced staff to mentor the new recruits.
Have a degree? Come and be a detective!
In my old force over 50% of Constables now have less than 2 years service
Cameron and May f
ked it, simple as swisstoni said:
I agree with that. The disappearance of the police from our daily lives has greatly affected society.
Police have had to restrict their activities to the most serious crimes (if that) and have left alone the lesser behaviours that affect our general wellbeing.
The police are really good at solving murders and serious crimes but crap for the majority of 'every day' crimes that people report on a daily basis. Police have had to restrict their activities to the most serious crimes (if that) and have left alone the lesser behaviours that affect our general wellbeing.
That's naturally going to leave people with a s
t opinion because it's all about what matters to them, for example a stolen car or theft of a pedal cycle that just gets filed without a cop even casting their eyes over it. Bigends said:
Stan the Bat said:
Why are police numbers cut all the time, they should be increased.
Apparently varies countrywide - my old lot are at the highest level theyve ever been, and well above pre austerity levelsThe obvious question is whether the pay/conditions are good enough for them to have recruited and trained officers to the quality required. It's no good having 500 extra officers if half of them are s
t.Edited by Gareth79 on Wednesday 3rd July 11:57
Gareth79 said:
Bigends said:
Stan the Bat said:
Why are police numbers cut all the time, they should be increased.
Apparently varies countrywide - my old lot are at the highest level theyve ever been, and well above pre austerity levelsThe obvious question is whether the pay/conditions are good enough for them to have recruited and trained officers to the quality required. It's no good having 500 extra officers if half of them are s
t.Edited by Gareth79 on Wednesday 3rd July 11:57
Gareth79 said:
Bigends said:
Stan the Bat said:
Why are police numbers cut all the time, they should be increased.
Apparently varies countrywide - my old lot are at the highest level theyve ever been, and well above pre austerity levelsThe obvious question is whether the pay/conditions are good enough for them to have recruited and trained officers to the quality required. It's no good having 500 extra officers if half of them are s
t.Edited by Gareth79 on Wednesday 3rd July 11:57
I could bang on all day about some of the horror stories I've heard and things I've seen but won't. They're not all bad but I'm amazed some of them can navigate their way out of their beds every morning.
Greendubber said:
About five years ago, there was a guy with an Akita in our village. I used to chat to him, but used to keep a bit of distance between me and the dog. One day it lunged up at me, but thankfully I was out of range and he had a secure grip on the lead. It really shook me up. I havn't seen him or the dog since.andyA700 said:
Greendubber said:
About five years ago, there was a guy with an Akita in our village. I used to chat to him, but used to keep a bit of distance between me and the dog. One day it lunged up at me, but thankfully I was out of range and he had a secure grip on the lead. It really shook me up. I havn't seen him or the dog since.t and never walked. Greendubber said:
andyA700 said:
Greendubber said:
About five years ago, there was a guy with an Akita in our village. I used to chat to him, but used to keep a bit of distance between me and the dog. One day it lunged up at me, but thankfully I was out of range and he had a secure grip on the lead. It really shook me up. I havn't seen him or the dog since.t and never walked. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff