Macron calls a national election
Discussion
Oliver Hardy said:
Tom8 said:
Problem with UK reporting is that everything that isn't Kier Starmer is "Far Right". Is this the same in France or are the Le Pen bunch actually "Far Right"?
Italian PM, Giorgia Meloni is far right.JagLover said:
Murph7355 said:
Parties getting into unholy alliances to prevent another getting into power, or even a foothold into it, will not end well.
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Somewhat amusing that they are calling on centre-right voters to vote for Socialists, and even Communists, to keep the dreaded NR out. .
mikey_b said:
Presumably something to do with the multiple rounds of voting meaning the pool of candidates gets smaller until you're left with one you don't like very much, but the other is someone you absolutely despise.
Compared to our system, where we don't bother with all that multiple rounds malarkey, and cut straight to the don't like very much vs despise proposition. Obviously the French drawn-out approach allows for more scope for indulging in the national sport of political rioting, but everyone needs a hobby so fair enough.
Tom8 said:
Oliver Hardy said:
Tom8 said:
Problem with UK reporting is that everything that isn't Kier Starmer is "Far Right". Is this the same in France or are the Le Pen bunch actually "Far Right"?
Italian PM, Giorgia Meloni is far right.Oliver Hardy said:
Tom8 said:
Oliver Hardy said:
Tom8 said:
Problem with UK reporting is that everything that isn't Kier Starmer is "Far Right". Is this the same in France or are the Le Pen bunch actually "Far Right"?
Italian PM, Giorgia Meloni is far right.So is the approach to immigration the only thing that means "far right"? As with their economic view, a lot of it is socialist (protectionism).
Is "Far right" just a branding to put people off or not being part of the global group think?
Oliver Hardy said:
Tom8 said:
Problem with UK reporting is that everything that isn't Kier Starmer is "Far Right". Is this the same in France or are the Le Pen bunch actually "Far Right"?
Italian PM, Giorgia Meloni is far right.mikey_b said:
Isn't that fairly normal in France? I'm sure a few years ago it was the other way round in a presidential election - socialists and their allies calling on their supporters to vote tactically for a centre-right politician for president, instead of one much further to the right. Presumably something to do with the multiple rounds of voting meaning the pool of candidates gets smaller until you're left with one you don't like very much, but the other is someone you absolutely despise.
I find it a bit amusing as it reduces everything to pro or anti open borders, which is the only serious area of divergence between FN and the rest.So a prosperous centre-right voter is supposed to vote for a Communist, who wants to take more off his money, purely on that one issue.
President Merkin said:
Lot of far right wingers on here have a problem with the name. Why is that? If you're plainly attracted to the politics, why not own it?
Well because they don't consider themselves 'far right' I would guess. It's all about perspective and where you consider the centre to be. If you are starting well to the left of centre, you are naturally going to consider more people 'far right' than people to the right of you would. I think this is part of the issue - a lot of the commentary and media discussion is coming from people a little to the left of centre, so more is badged 'right' or 'far right' than might be commonly understood in the mass public. It's why results in France, Brexit, the US even (in their form of left-right anyway), keep catching people out. Unfortunately this subtle bias might well be making people feel underrepresented and actually, counter intuitively, pushing them more to the right wing parties playing on it.
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Well because they don't consider themselves 'far right' I would guess. It's all about perspective and where you consider the centre to be. If you are starting well to the left of centre, you are naturally going to consider more people 'far right' than people to the right of you would. I think this is part of the issue - a lot of the commentary and media discussion is coming from people a little to the left of centre, so more is badged 'right' or 'far right' than might be commonly understood in the mass public. It's why results in France, Brexit, the US even (in their form of lett-right anyway), keep catching people out.
Media is a very easy stick to beat people with. among the right iIn this country, it's regularly trotted out as a signifier of left wing decay yet the print press is overwhelmingly right wing. In that sense, perception is an unreliable measure subject to individua bias. But in general, the characteristics of far rght politics tend to be broadly similar across the world, including but not limited to radical conservatism, ultra nationalism, authortarianism & nativism. All of those are present in RN. Some elements have been toned down over the years for electoral palatability but the label is broadly correct. Same goes for Meloni's Brothers of Italy. Same defnitely doesn't go for people linking Evening Standard & Telegraph articles & cherry picking stuff like pensions policy. So, it it's people's bag, they ought to have no problem with being called it imo.
Edited by President Merkin on Monday 1st July 12:39
President Merkin said:
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Well because they don't consider themselves 'far right' I would guess. It's all about perspective and where you consider the centre to be. If you are starting well to the left of centre, you are naturally going to consider more people 'far right' than people to the right of you would. I think this is part of the issue - a lot of the commentary and media discussion is coming from people a little to the left of centre, so more is badged 'right' or 'far right' than might be commonly understood in the mass public. It's why results in France, Brexit, the US even (in their form of lett-right anyway), keep catching people out.
Media is a very easy stick to beat people with. among the right iIn this country, it's regularly trotted out as a signifier of left wing decay yet the print press is overwhelmingly right wing. In that sense, perception is an unreliable measure subject to individua bas. But in general, the characteristics of far rght politics tend to be broadly similar across the world, including but not limited to radical conservatism, ultra nationalism, authortarianism & nativism. All of those are present in RN. Some elements have been toned down over the years for electoral palatability but the label is broadly correct. Same goes for Meloni's Brothers of Italy. Same defnitely doesn't go for people linking Evening Standard & Telegraph articles & cherry picking stuff like pensions policy. So, it it's people's bag, they ought to have no problem with being called it imo.
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