Holly Wiloughby kidnap plot court case

[bitchstewie]

Rufus Stone said:

Where does one draw the line between fantasy and reality?

Capability and intent presumably.

Which is what a jury will need to decide.

[Gareth79]

It sounds like he was probably not able to carry out the exact plan himself, but probably would have got the undercover officer to do most of it if he was genuine. It mentions that the officer had sent details of a fake flight booking and ID.

The fact that he previously threatened and locked young girls in a store room and attempted to abduct somebody from a train using extreme threats shows that he's not just a keyboard fantasist and will act on his plans.

[mac96]

Gareth79 said:

It sounds like he was probably not able to carry out the exact plan himself, but probably would have got the undercover officer to do most of it if he was genuine. It mentions that the officer had sent details of a fake flight booking and ID.

The fact that he previously threatened and locked young girls in a store room and attempted to abduct somebody from a train using extreme threats shows that he's not just a keyboard fantasist and will act on his plans.

The obvious worry must be that he could be found not guilty of the specific targeting of HW, as that might be fantasy, and then be left at large to threaten more vulnerable targets.
So, I am keeping my fingers crossed for conviction.

[98elise]

Gareth79 said:

It sounds like he was probably not able to carry out the exact plan himself, but probably would have got the undercover officer to do most of it if he was genuine. It mentions that the officer had sent details of a fake flight booking and ID.

The fact that he previously threatened and locked young girls in a store room and attempted to abduct somebody from a train using extreme threats shows that he's not just a keyboard fantasist and will act on his plans.

This. Its already crossed from fantasy to action, twice.

The fact he's fat or might not have been successful on this attempt is not mitigation.

At some point he's going to be abducting, raping and possibly murdering a woman. It's only a matter of time.

[G-wiz]

Could have made a lovely couple.

[dingg]

G-wiz said:

Could have made a lovely couple.

[Somewhatfoolish]

Gareth79 said:

The fact that he previously threatened and locked young girls in a store room and attempted to abduct somebody from a train using extreme threats shows that he's not just a keyboard fantasist and will act on his plans.

Yup. Without the previous this would be ridiculous. With the previous.... well he needs locking up for life (in this case probably about 3 years) durnt he?

[DickyC]

Somewhatfoolish said:

Yup. Without the previous this would be ridiculous. With the previous.... well he needs locking up for life (in this case probably about 3 years) durnt he?

Presumably the others in the group didn't know what he looked like and his intentions coupled with his preparations might encourage other, more able bodied, nutters to act. That would worry the authorities.

[Gecko1978]

DickyC said:

Somewhatfoolish said:

Yup. Without the previous this would be ridiculous. With the previous.... well he needs locking up for life (in this case probably about 3 years) durnt he?

Presumably the others in the group didn't know what he looked like and his intentions coupled with his preparations might encourage other, more able bodied, nutters to act. That would worry the authorities.

[beambeam1]

Gareth79 said:

Scotty2 said:

Chris Peacock said:

Off topic but do they literally just let anyone become a security guard?

I know it's not a highly skilled or difficult job but surely we can do better than a morbidly obese convicted criminal with history of crimes against young women.

Don't judge them all by the "Paul Blart" look. There are a lot of decent ones and some not so active.
If an official Security position, they should have passed an SIA test and have a disclosure test (DBS). If he has previous, then he should not have been in position. Was it an official position?

(My Son works as a Security Guard which helped him through Uni and keeps him employed while trying to get a job related to his degree).

There was one who was a bit of an "Andy McNab" Walt type which was quite amusing...

A friend describes the useless ones as "jacket fillers", just there for an organisation to tick a box saying they have security guards.

I worked as a bouncer for 15+ and have jumped through the SIA hoops a handful of times since it was implemented in 2009. It certainly did well to weed out some of the absolute scum that were operating, both personnel and companies. However, as time wore on you found that those perpetually on the dole were "offered" training courses to enhance their skillset. I say "offered" because it seemed to be put to them that if they did not book onto a paid for SIA training course soon their JSA would be nipped in the bud. A similar scenario was put forward with regards to actual employment and if you were found to be turning down hours then again, JSA and any attached benefits were at risk.

Ended up working some venues where at 2159 on an any given weekend night a couple of degenerates aka jacket fillers would rock up to the door scruffily dressed and no clue nor interest in the job. Quite often, if they came from a rough area they had the bright idea of telling their mates beforehand that they would "get them in the club" so I'd be tasked with dealing with them and knocking them back if they weren't suitable.

Some of the companies that contracted these guys out to us were taking the mick with rates to, £20ph+vat per body. We had five turn up one night and my colleague said "I'll give you a you a tour and show you the fire exits then get you all some radios." only to be told "No need, none of them speak English".

Useless and in my opinion a liability to staff and punters. Glad to be out of it now. The SIA test is too easy and doesn't cover enough aspects of the role. 19 questions on different colours and types of fire extinguishers, 1 single question on licensing laws.

[Ultra Sound Guy]

Silverbullet767 said:

She suggested this discounted the credibility of Mr Plumbs plan to "jump the outer wall" of Willoughby's house.

Mr. Wass asked "knowing what he looked like and the state of his dimensions" did that cause you to revaluate the credibility of this plan?

No need, he could just barge the wall out of the way!

[GloverMart]

98elise said:

Gareth79 said:

It sounds like he was probably not able to carry out the exact plan himself, but probably would have got the undercover officer to do most of it if he was genuine. It mentions that the officer had sent details of a fake flight booking and ID.

The fact that he previously threatened and locked young girls in a store room and attempted to abduct somebody from a train using extreme threats shows that he's not just a keyboard fantasist and will act on his plans.

This. Its already crossed from fantasy to action, twice.

The fact he's fat or might not have been successful on this attempt is not mitigation.

At some point he's going to be abducting, raping and possibly murdering a woman. It's only a matter of time.

You'd hope the "climbing over the wall" part might not be taken completely at face value when it comes to determining his guilt. If he hadn't been able to get over it, sure he would have found a different method of getting to her.

Needs locking up for a very long time before matters get worse.

[The Wookie]

Ultra Sound Guy said:

No need, he could just barge the wall out of the way!

[Silverbullet767]

The Wookie said:

Ultra Sound Guy said:

No need, he could just barge the wall out of the way!

Different film of the cornetto trilogy, but.

"What's the matter, never taken a shortcut before?"